The Landreich "Republic" vs. The Union of Border Worlds

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Who will win a total all out war, between these two backwater powers, (Confed will not get involved in this conflict to let as Paulsen said "Barbarians" fight it out), it takes place after say a few months after WC IV...... :cool:
 
The Landreich fleet includes at least four cruisers, three CVEs, and FRLS Mjollnir.

What've the Union of Border Worlds got?
 
Starwind said:
The Landreich fleet includes at least four cruisers, three CVEs, and FRLS Mjollnir.

What've the Union of Border Worlds got?
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At least two Durango Destroyers (UBWS Tango, Intrepid) converted into light carriers, one Tallahasse at least (Will assume it was returned to the Union after Tolwyn was arrested, plus a unknown amount of frigates.....but good fighters to off-set there lack of Capital Ships...
 
umm so yeah these two entities are allies. The Landreich loaned ships to the UBW during the BL crisis. So you really can't to accurate of a count of UBW ships as some of them are really FRL ships.
 
Okay, I think overestimated the Union as it is in deep shit and way over there heads, the Republic has at least five to six escort carriers, two light cruisers, at least four cruisers......well can the Union pull a stalemate with Blair vs. Kevin Tolywn and Jason Bondarevsky
 
The UBW has the Dragons they seized. Even though the Border Worlds have a limited number of these super fighters, I'm sure they would pose to be a problem for Landreich.
 
ck9791 said:
The UBW has the Dragon's they seized. Even though the Border Worlds have a limited number of these super fighters, I'm sure they would pose to be a problem for Landreich.
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Then again we all know what Landreich can do with 30 year-old Rapier II's and Scimtars.......

Then again the Union have better all round attack ships such as the Vindicator and Avenger....plus limited amount of captured ConFed fighters and the said Dragons........
 
Was the Carrier you capture in WC4 for the border worlds part of the Border Worlds fleet?

I think the Landreich would win, because they have more of a fighting spirit. Border Worlders only fight when they have to, they don't have the sucidicial win-at-all-costs attitude that Kreiger instills in his men.

Plus he's just generally a more likeable motivational inspirational leader.

In addition that the Border Worlds seems to be more about inter-system trade and government and the Landreich seems to be all about, give me bigger guns to shoot whoever I see first.
 
You have to remember that UBW also has good pilots for their said Dragons. People such as Maniac, Blair, Hawk, and Panther. Although Jason Ryock did have a good point with the Landreich and their suicidal win-at-all-costs-attitude, it is very difficult to decide. Also, wouldn't the UBW have the St. Helens? Or was that so shot up that it was useless and/or scrapped?
 
Anxiety said:
You have to remember that UBW also has good pilots for their said Dragons. People such as Maniac, Blair, Hawk, and Panther. Although Jason Ryock did have a good point with the Landreich and their suicidal win-at-all-costs-attitude, it is very difficult to decide. Also, wouldn't the UBW have the St. Helens? Or was that so shot up that it was useless and/or scrapped?
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No, the Mount St. Helens was a Confederation carrier that Eisen got a few friends in the chain of command to help him free up and crew. It stayed with the Confederation after the war, and was destroyed in Secret Ops.
 
Evil Imperial said:
Who will win a total all out war, between these two backwater powers, (Confed will not get involved in this conflict to let as Paulsen said "Barbarians" fight it out), it takes place after say a few months after WC IV...... :cool:
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Hey, don't space battle everything up or else.
 
I thought Manic and Blair were back with the Confederation. And if the Landreich Republic has the FRLS Mojlner then they also have Sparks and Bondarevsky...
 
Jason_Ryock said:
Was the Carrier you capture in WC4 for the border worlds part of the Border Worlds fleet.
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As far as I recall it was returned to the Confederation.

As for Blair and Maniac: there are three versions, as you may know: in one Blair becomes an Admiral, in the other UBW instructor aboard the BWS Intrepid. The third one is the ending of the official novell: Blair gets a promotion to Brigadier General, Maniac get his own squadron (means he was promoted to the rank of Colonel)
 
ChrisReid said:
Hey, don't space battle everything up or else.
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I'm good at spacebattles :p :p

But I will comply

Tolwyn said:
As far as I recall it was returned to the Confederation.

As for Blair and Maniac: there are three versions, as you may know: in one Blair becomes an Admiral, in the other UBW instructor aboard the BWS Intrepid. The third one is the ending of the official novell: Blair gets a promotion to Brigander General, Maniac get his own squadron (means he was promoted to the rank of Colonel)
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This is assuming that Blair is teaching people aboard the BWS Intrepid, and the BWS Tango isn't a carrier conversion just a fast destroyer....with 4 tractor beams..
 
In WC4, we never really get a good look at the Border Worlds Navy to make any type of assesment. If you guys are accurate in that the BW has only one or two carriers and one or two cruisers, Blair never would have said that the potential war between Confed and the BWU would be "...bloodier than the war with the Kilrathi...". Furthermore, Vice-Admiral Wilford commanding the forward fleet mentions sending out a cruiser (the BWS Hopkins) to take control of the TCS Princeton. The way he made this command to Blair would indicate that the Border Worlds Fleet included far more than one cruiser. Perhaps many of the surviving Waterloo, Manassas and prewar cruisers were serving in the Border Wordls. Also, some of these cruisers could have been converted to light carriers.
 
Dragon1 said:
In WC4, we never really get a good look at the Border Worlds Navy to make any type of assesment. If you guys are accurate in that the BW has only one or two carriers and one or two cruisers, Blair never would have said that the potential war between Confed and the BWU would be "...bloodier than the war with the Kilrathi...". Furthermore, Vice-Admiral Wilford commanding the forward fleet mentions sending out a cruiser (the BWS Hopkins) to take control of the TCS Princeton. The way he made this command to Blair would indicate that the Border Worlds Fleet included far more than one cruiser. Perhaps many of the surviving Waterloo, Manassas and prewar cruisers were serving in the Border Wordls. Also, some of these cruisers could have been converted to light carriers.
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Actually, the reason the war would have been bloodier than the one with the Kilrathi is rather simple - the Border Worlds and Confed had originally had access to similar technology, and we know the Landreich at least has smuggled in more modern defense equipment. Civil wars also tend to be more violent than ones against external foes, due to the passions raised.

Cruisers aren't going to be in short supply with any fleet in the WC universe - light cruisers are a dime a dozen, ditto destroyers; enough of them were built that Confed could afford to surplus many of them to the Border Worlds during the war. Heavy cruisers would be more difficult to obtain, but probably not impossible either. However, whether the Border Worlds has more than one carrier conversion is open to debate - they never say it or show it, but it is possible. At the same time, I'm wondering if they would have had more than 3 or 4 such ships, given that Confed needed a war it could win relatively easily.
 
Jason_Ryock said:
I thought Manic and Blair were back with the Confederation. And if the Landreich Republic has the FRLS Mojlner then they also have Sparks and Bondarevsky...
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Bondarevsky was supposed to stay with the Landreich after FC, Andrew Keith had planned him to be in command of a CVE task force for the FRL against Ragark, but then he passed away before being able to write the book....

But he is mentioned as still being with the FRL in the AS prologue...
 
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