Wow, am I ever late on this thread. Just a few passing comments...Freespace 1 & 2 respectively were ultimately failures as games in my mindset...they had no story, no plot, no character interaction etc. However, that being said, I felt their game engines were beautiful. Yes, better than Wing Commander Prophecy (I know, sounds like blasphemy). But it's true, the Freespace 2 was a beautiful engine and the capabilities it possesses are fantastic (mainly due to the efforts of fans). Loaf, I respect your opinion, but Freespace did not kill the space sim industry. That's a joke in and of itself. Wing Commander was shelved due to EA's short sightedness. A sad blow to us all, but like you said maybe today's news is something to take courage in. The space sim industry is gradually recovering thanks to the success of Starlancer, Freelancer, X-BTF, X-2000, Eve, Earth & Beyond, etc I'm not saying these games were any good but they were released on the market and they did make enough money to be marginal success stories in some form or another. Finally, I have to agree WC Standoff looks to be the most impressive looking WC mod I've seen yet, it stacks up very well to WC Saga even though both use different engines (of which, both have their limitations). Finally, I have to say this...Psych, you're a moron...a complete and utter one. You really think you're responsible for keeping "friendly" relations between WC Saga and CIC???!! You have the friendly manner of a piranha...you couldn't be friendly if someone paid you to be nice. You may be a lot of things for the Saga team, but you are not friendly. You jump on new members and berate them for their ignorance, you smash their contributions and in general you're completely arrogant beyond measure. IF you truly are the "public relations" person for WC Saga then I strongly suggest they reconsider that, if they want to truly have good relations, that is. Finally, Karzan or whatever your name is, you made some pretty stupid points and sparked needless hostility on a WC forum. Freespace is a love or hate game, either you love it or you hate it but no matter what the case, you are going to change someone's opinion by posting tons of pictures of the game's engine. Whew, that's my two cents and more.