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Hey, it got changed - awesome.

Okay, I've got another suggestion. Re: the picture caption at the Joan's Fighting Ships Confed page... "Hellcats from the Blue Devil Squadron, and a Longbow from...". Now, I get what you're trying to do, and it's a great idea (giving actual names to the WC3 'color' fighter squadrons).

(Dash, hit post before I meant to - everything after this edited in.)

The only issue is that the WC:CCG has Blue Devil squadron as flying Arrows. My reccomendation would be to change the caption to "Blue Meanie Squadron" - which is one of the Hellcat squadrons from the CCG. Still fits into the Blue Squadron deal, without contradicting the CCG.
 
Hey LOAF,

Try it now. It should be updated.

Yeah, me and Jibbo talked about this one for a while - this one took quite a lot of debating. The WC3 novel referred to Arrows as long range interceptors flown by the Blue Squadron and Hellcats point defense fighters flown by the Red Squadron. Then throughout the novel, there's references to the Blue Squadron flying medium interceptors (such as when Blue Squadron attacked in Laconda, Melek refers to destroying "medium interceptors"), while the Red got the point defense fighters.

Then in that text file that Wedge uploaded, the Arrows were the light point defense fighters and the Hellcats were the medium interceptors. This was also true in the art work in the making of WC3 CD that was released with that guide. This is also along the path with the Hellcats being medium fighters and the Arrows light fighters.

So me and Jibbo hoped the way we worded it was a logical compromise.
 
Hmmm, well, if you want to follow the novel and go with a 'red' Hellcat squadron... the CCG has "Red Ranger Squadron" for Hellcats.

(We do know there's a long range Arrow variant... I guess it's possible there's a point defense Hellcat variant.)
 
I saw something, but I'm unsure whether it's a typo/error, or just my lack of knowledge concerning WC stations. In the Communications Message #1, at the end in the following section:

5) TCS Armageddon, TCS Winterrowd, TCS Liberty, and TCS Valiant, are moored in our shipyards in Tamayo. TCS Hermes, TCS Invincible, and TCS Illustrious are moored in Caernaven Station in Pembroke. As you have ordered right when you took over 3rd Fleet, we have crews working double time to get them back online. Estimated time will be three to four weeks.
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If that was meant to be Caernarvon Station, that's in the Gwynned system. The station in Pembroke is the same design, but is only referred to as Pembroke Station, according to the opening of SO1.
 
I noticed some other typing errors in some of the theory pages too psych. Not sure if anyone told you but in the history of the war section there are a few as in a few of the others. I forgot the exact places cuz I was reading it this morning at like 2am, but if you just glance through it you should run across them.
 
Hey guys,

We had four guys look over the site for bugs before release and even though we killed a lot, it looks we didn't get it all. :eek:

But we recently got an editor with a background in English Literature who volunteered to polish over the site to make it word better.
 
Hey LOAF,

Can you send any editing concerns you have to me and Jibbo by email? We've been really busy taking care of other stuff lately.
 
Just had a thought for you guys. It would be awesome if you continued to make more detailed sections for fleet tactics on the different eras of the war. I like the communication section and how it introduces us to alot of the things that happened post-battle of earth/sirius
 
I like the site. Informative and a useful reference that puts WC 1-3 on the samge page (figuratively speaking). I have noticed one annoying bug: when trying to link to some of the pages from the ship listings, it drops me back to the homepage instead. I know it happens with Theory, Intelligence, and the weapon lists, I'm not sure about the others.
 
Hey,

Yeah, I noticed that too. It's rather annoying. I'll talk to Jibbo about it, to see what he can do.
 
Moonsword said:
I like the site. Informative and a useful reference that puts WC 1-3 on the samge page (figuratively speaking). I have noticed one annoying bug: when trying to link to some of the pages from the ship listings, it drops me back to the homepage instead. I know it happens with Theory, Intelligence, and the weapon lists, I'm not sure about the others.
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It's fixed. It was just a problem with the URL changes when we moved servers and the redirect set up from the old URL. I think it mainly affected the confed ship list. Let me know if there are any other problems.
 
Uhm, Psych I've got two questions: first, how much (statistically) of the stats involves propaganda? Are they accurate (in your opinion) or just fluff for the media?

Second, what's with the HTML reference on the Confed ship listings? The page jumps to the top of the listings anytime I click something.
 
Something that's been nagging at me for a while ... in the entry for the Scimitar it lists the date of production as 2635, but I've seen it put as being a century older. If, as I assume, it's intended as a II model (like the CF-117 Rapier / F-44 Rapier II, a CF-105 Scimitar / F-36 Scimitar II) shouldn't there be a Roman numeral designating it as such?
 
Moonsword said:
Uhm, Psych I've got two questions: first, how much (statistically) of the stats involves propaganda? Are they accurate (in your opinion) or just fluff for the media?

Second, what's with the HTML reference on the Confed ship listings? The page jumps to the top of the listings anytime I click something.
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Most of the stats are true. Others were based on unofficial sources (i.e. I put the Thunderbolt VII as 60/50/60 agility instead of 50/50/50 because it was stated as such in the Wing Commander Bible). Others (more like the WC2 era ships) have a tendency to be based on WC Standoff stats. Others, as you said, are propaganda "upgrades", but these are very few.

About the Confed page thing, I'll let Jibbo know.


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Something that's been nagging at me for a while ... in the entry for the Scimitar it lists the date of production as 2635, but I've seen it put as being a century older. If, as I assume, it's intended as a II model (like the CF-117 Rapier / F-44 Rapier II, a CF-105 Scimitar / F-36 Scimitar II) shouldn't there be a Roman numeral designating it as such?
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The Fleet Tactics staff (Jibbo and me) are not getting involved nor will we take sides in this Rapier II/Scimitar II deal. Therefore, to create less controversy where my(and his too) time is better off doing something else, we simply defaulted to the Wing Commander Bible statistics, which says "F-32D Scimitar" and "F-44A Rapier".

In the future, maybe we'll think about revamping it, but to do that, we'll have to make a complete list of pre war capships and fighters so it can be "complete". And this is threading deep into "un-official territory" as it is.
 
Fleet Tactics is an impressing work psych.
Just a few questions:
From where you have the information about the designation of the Hornet (F-36) and the Scimitar (F-32) :confused:
The Tallahassee and the Sheffield were called older ships in the WC3 novel and of LOAF. Do you have other sources (WC Bible)?
The Achilles from the WC4 novel is thus ships the Tallahassee class, or is it new of ships. There is somewhere information about the frigates of the Kilrathi, which are called in Fleet Action. Is the Kilrathi carrier in End Run ships of the Hha'ifra - class and at last are the Snakier II an official class or a logical consideration of you?

thx for any information
 
The Rapier II thing predates the movie - it comes from the Kilrathi Saga manual. The movie Rapier just happens to fit well into that available, pre-Rapier slot (just as if the movie had had a 'Thunderbolt' or a 'Hellcat' in it).

The Scimitar II is something Bob made up, as best I can tell.
 
Duke said:
Fleet Tactics is an impressing work psych.
Just a few questions:
From where you have the information about the designation of the Hornet (F-36) and the Scimitar (F-32) :confused:
The Tallahassee and the Sheffield were called older ships in the WC3 novel and of LOAF. Do you have other sources (WC Bible)?
The Achilles from the WC4 novel is thus ships the Tallahassee class, or is it new of ships. There is somewhere information about the frigates of the Kilrathi, which are called in Fleet Action. Is the Kilrathi carrier in End Run ships of the Hha'ifra - class and at last are the Snakier II an official class or a logical consideration of you?

thx for any information
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Hey Duke, pretty well-thought out questions. I'll be happy to answer them for you.

To answer your questions, yes I do have a copy of the WC Bible (a clue on how I managed to get it is on my "Thanks" page). That's where I got F-36 Hornet and F-32 Scimitar.

We know the Sheffield class is an older model (I specifically remember that page, and it only mentioned two of the Victory's 3 escorts as old), and right now, I'm trying to find a way how I can put that in yet save ConFleet the embarassment of publically saying "yeah, the destroyer is old as shit. but it's on the front-lines now!" cause to do that would allude to the fact that Confed is losing the war (as I've mentioned, the page is supposed to be very biased).

One thing we know about the TCS Achilles, is that it's a heavy cruiser. And from the WC3 guide, written by Tuesday Frase, Chris McCubbin, and Melissa Mead, page 139 says that the TCS Ajax (and its Fralthi II opponent) are also heavy cruisers. So to make things simple, (and the fact that Ajax-type ships were in WC4), I made a logical and educated assumption that the Achilles is also of the same class. Personally, it saves me the fact of trying to make another heavy cruiser that enroaches on fanboy territory.

I don't know anything of the Hha'ifra and its ships (I don't know even if it's a ship-class at all) in End Run or not. From what I seem so far, these are dreadnoughts that also double as heavy carriers (just like how the Concordia was a dreadnought but also doubled as a carrier). As for why I put the Shiraak type carriers to be Snakeir II, was cause the model was seen in Super Wing Commander, so I wanted to give that link to SWC.

As for how many are in End Run, I simply don't know. We do know that there was a combined over twenty major carriers in the Kat fleet at the time of End Run, but I had a tendency to assume that the best and most powerful carriers (the Hha'ifras I guess) would be in the Home Guard Fleet, as is the case for the Emperor keeping their best and the brightest in reserve over Kilrah, or the forces might come under the jurisdiction of one of his political rivals.
 
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