RELEASE: Wing Commander II Campaign Demo

gavinfoxx

Rear Admiral
It's "Cutlass".

And anyway, I like the Wraith. One of the few 'super-ships' that is actually a medium fighter in the game, and crazy good maneuverability -- it's like a super rapier, you know?? Also, its relatively small, with a pretty small cross-section, which is great... IMO, Wraith > Panther...
 

Rylex

Rear Admiral
I first met the Wraith in Wing Commander Armada - and well I loved it for its Leech missiles. The guns on the other side were too short ranged for me.

All in all over all Wing Commander Games it is the Wing Commander Armada / Standoff Arrow, that I love the most. There is no other ship in all WC games, which is that fast and maneuverable. In my honest opinion I think you can kill every fighter with the Arrow... ... ... as long as you have afterburner fuel. The Dragon was imbalanced here with infinite afterburner speed. It was a pity that the WC3 and WC4 Arrows had slower afterburner speeds. I don't need 4 guns... just 2 Lasers. That means I don't like the WC3/WC4 versions except for its design.

Yes of course it is a light fighter and thus can't kill carriers or shielded battleships.
That was the only reason for me in WC Armada to take one or two Gladius with me - for the final run. :mad:
 

Deathsnake

Rear Admiral
I agree with Scooby. The Wraith didn't look very nice. And I don't think that we really need it. Look whats fighter are in Enigma :

Rapier B, G
Epee
Scimitar
Hornet
Broadsword
Sabre
Morningstar
Crossbow
Raptor
Ferret
Cutlass (perhaps)

When I see on Scooby Page:
Banshee (Armada)
Stilletto
Gladius
Phantom
and a few more that would match in Enigma I think there a enough. I make for the Enigma fighters for every fighter a Gauntlet. So flying an Hornet? Np. I make some historical Missions too (not a complete Campaign, just 5-6 Missions from WC1+SM1+2) The fighters from Enigma are all as Playerships in the Campaign. So you can create then own missions (perhaps again WC1) and just put it into the missions folder of the mod and play ;) But first - we need help. Texturers and Modders, who can help to push the old prologue ones into Saga Darkest Dawn. Here again some pics:
cap.jpgk-fighter.jpgc-fighter.jpg
Not in the pic: K'titrakh Mang, Supply Depot Terran, Ralari and Tolmacs. These models needs some work. So please help.
 

RC1207

Petty Officer
The Jalthi looks too small and the Bloodfang looks too big. The others are really nice. I don't know the larger Salthi -like one.

Cheers,
 

Quarto

Unknown Enemy
Yes, I need to change the size of the Bloodfang and the Jalthi again. The larger Salthi is the Hrakthi
Why is it larger than an ordinary Salthi? The info from the encyclopedia seems to imply that it's just a modified Salthi - so, exactly the same size, same airframe, and maybe just some additional equipment mounted on top of it.
 

gavinfoxx

Rear Admiral
I first met the Wraith in Wing Commander Armada - and well I loved it for its Leech missiles. The guns on the other side were too short ranged for me.

Gyuh? Reapers and Particle guns are *not* short ranged guns...
Also, those antennae coming out the front are the guns.

To me, the Wraith is the first human response to the Bloodfang. They look quite similar (really, compare the pictures of the wc2 era ones side by side), and are similar in theme (medium sized supership / space superiority fighters... presumably the Wraith and the Excalibur were both 'oh crap!' responses to the Bloodfang..).
 

Rylex

Rear Admiral
Sorry if this post is a bit off-topic...

Gyuh? Reapers and Particle guns are *not* short ranged guns...
Also, those antennae coming out the front are the guns.

The Particle Cannon has a range of 3.000. Speed is 2.200...
The Reaper Cannon has a range of 4.200. Speed is far better with 2.700...
Laser Cannon (Arrow) has a range of 5.000. Speed is 3.000...

I agree a bit concerning the medium ranged Reaper Cannon. The Particle Cannon is short range for me. 3.000 vs. 5.000 makes you look like :eek:
Yes I know Reaper Cannon has 4.0cm damage, Particle has 2,3cm damage and Laser Cannon only 1,3cm damage...

I think it depends on your flying style ;) Perhaps a 1vs1 Wraith vs. Arrow in Armade would cure you :p ... okay okay... the Wraith Leech missiles are hard for an Arrow. But hey this is just my opinion. Like I said the Wraith is a great ship - I really like it... but my personal favorite will remail the Arrow until I die ;)

Arrow vs. Gladius is much much more harder in Armada because of the Gladius Laser Cannon... :mad:
 

Quarto

Unknown Enemy
Umm, guys, there are three different versions of the Reaper Cannon :). While I agree none of them are really short range, they are different enough that you need to at least specify which version you are talking about.
 

gavinfoxx

Rear Admiral
Well the armada one was the first/earliest version of it, right? They were working out the issues with it on the Wraith?
 

Deathsnake

Rear Admiral
Back to Enigma 2666. Here are the resize and retextured Version of Scoobys Clydesdale. Also the Stormfire Turret in Front are removed.
A Escort Formation with two Rapiers:
screen0004.jpg
 

Rylex

Rear Admiral
Umm, guys, there are three different versions of the Reaper Cannon :). While I agree none of them are really short range, they are different enough that you need to at least specify which version you are talking about.

Hi Quarto,

yes you are right I did not mention it - but of course I meant the Reaper Cannon from WC Armada.
All the data I mentioned above is from WC Armada...

Oh and Quarto I wrote you a mail quite some time ago. Has your email address changed? Or could it be that you are busy as usual? ;)

Best wishes!

Rylex


Back to Enigma 2666. Here are the resize and retextured Version of Scoobys Clydesdale. Also the Stormfire Turret in Front are removed.
A Escort Formation with two Rapiers:

I like the texture style of the ships. Looks very good!
If only I could get my hands on such a HQ Arrow model. All the models that I have are not perfect :(
Quite some time ago I saw a nearly perfect Arrow model on a WC Saga screenshot. But there are sure no chances to get that model.
 

Quarto

Unknown Enemy
Oh and Quarto I wrote you a mail quite some time ago. Has your email address changed? Or could it be that you are busy as usual? ;)
I'm always busy :). More to the point, though - my chief problem is that I use email a *lot*. Consequently, with five-ten new emails coming in every day, I lose track of them. You know how it is, old emails disappear under a pile of new ones. I do remember getting your email, and I can only assume it's still in the mailbox somewhere, waiting to be responded to.

I'm really terribly disorganised when it comes to email, I think. I suppose I should create a "to be replied to" folder, and when I cannot reply immediately, at least move the email in there so I don't forget about it entirely. Of course, that folder would soon contain like fifty emails... it never ends, does it? :p
 

Deathsnake

Rear Admiral
Still no responce to help convert the models into Saga I make (because I was sad) the Saga Sector Base with prologue textures. In this pic search a Gettysburg and a Waterloo Class cruiser :D
screen0179.jpg
 

Deathsnake

Rear Admiral
yeah ;D
the poor ones, that had to paint the whole station after the great kilrathi war =)
And thanks to you with the upgrading textures. Here the old WC1 fighters with some more details on the textures made by Kevin:
screen0180.jpg

Now they are more match with the Hornets textures.
 

Aginor

Vice Admiral
Great!
Now I can't wait for your mod to be released :)
Is there an update planned for your capships' textures as well? I would love to see a Bengal/Exceter/Drayman/Gettysburg in a quality comparable to Saga's main campaign textures.
From what I've seen your mod's visual style looks a bit weird since your fighters seem to have much higher quality textures than the capships.
 
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