Sorry Q but I still fail to see which points you see providing long term benefit.
Swallowing the bitter bill, taking your medicine, etc, it's something we hear a lot - but without outlining the potential benefits all that pill is is a list of potential side effects from dizziness to chronic diarrhea.
You know, I keep telling myself to stop posting in this thread, because it's so time-consuming
. And I think I did try to outline some of the long term benefits before.
And I also posted you a link to a
book, and to a
film. Have you looked at either? Go for the book - Daniel Hannan is a genuinely likeable, intelligent and incredibly level-headed guy, who absolutely cannot be accused of being driven by personal gain, because he has just voted himself out of a job as a member of the European Parliament. Also, the book can be purchased in audiobook form, which is undoubtedly an advantage if you happen to commute to work.
But ok - I will post a few points below. These are pretty off-the-cuff, mind you, and many more could be listed if I took the time to think about it. As a bystander, I think I've done enough digging already
.
1. Freedom to trade with anyone you choose. Tariffs are not a thing of the past. Same for other forms of restrictive trade regulations. For this reason, many countries sign trade deals to facilitate trading. The EU has been shockingly remiss in this area - and the UK has been trapped. This, combined with other forms of EU protectionism, has caused great damage to export-driven industries in the UK, because it had made them uncompetitive. This can be addressed now. Already, after the initial shock, we're hearing people - like, for example, India's richest man, though damned if I remember his name - saying that actually, in the long term this will be good for their investments in the UK, because when they had last talked to the UK about various restrictions, they were told these are EU restrictions that cannot be lifted.
2. A restored fishing industry. I think this is a particularly poignant one, particularly if you're pointing out the problems that the poorer parts of the UK will face now. Those parts of the UK that used to rely on fishing are now the poorer parts of the UK, and this is mainly because they were forced to stop fishing. May I remind you, that your traditional fast food dish in the UK is fish and chips? Well, things are getting to a point where even in many seaside cities, it's imported fish. That's ridiculous. This is just one example of an industry damaged by the EU, which can be restored (not immediately - it will take years!) now. There are others, too.
3. The finance industry is saved from external regulations. You may or may not have heard about this, but the last few years, the British government had been continuously trying to fight off new EU regulations devised specifically to damage the London finance industry. Now, to be honest, I personally think that the London finance industry is obnoxious and out of control - but I don't think the solution is to assault British finance, while leaving French and German finance alone.
4. You escape a corrupt organisation devised to steal money from the poor and to give it to the rich. The EU consistently fails its audits every year. It's corrupt (I've said more about this before, look at my previous posts), and it spends *your* money in incredibly wasteful ways. Just as one example of the wasteful spending of the EU... the day after the referendum, BBC Online published one of those "five things" lists, in this case I think something along the lines of five British things that will change because of the exit. One of those things was Game of Thrones, which stands to lose its EU funding apparently. Did you know that the Game of Thrones TV series is partially funded by taxes taken from English and Scottish factory workers? In what universe does that make sense? Is Game of Thrones truly something that couldn't possibly be made with private funding alone? Is it not profitable? Is it the kind of product that governments need to subsidise? And this is one of infinitely many examples of the way EU media funding operates.
5. Finally, I've left the most "high-flying" bit for last, because while I think it's actually the most important aspect, it's sadly one that most people these days seem not to care about. You save your freedom. This is not idle talk. Already - it took them about two days after Brexit - the Germans are proposing an even tighter union, with talk, for the first time, of a single unified criminal law, unified army, and so on. This proposal will be laughed out of the room at this time, but the Germans will certainly keep pressing on, bit by bit. Let me be clear: not only is this a bad thing, but it's also something you are morally *obliged* to avoid. You do not have the right to give away the sovereignty that your children by right should inherit from you, just as you inherited it from your parents, who inherited it from theirs. As long as the EU was intended to be a common trading area, that was fine. The moment it started evolving towards a federal state, that's the moment everybody needs to exit. Because a federal EU has to ultimately morph into a German superstate (note: ironically, most Germans absolutely don't want this... but who's asking?). I think both of our nations have shed enough blood to avoid that last time, don't you?
On a final note, I just came across a commentary on why people voted for Brexit, written by Richard Bartle - the guy who built the very first MUD, who's worked on dozens of MMO projects as a consultant, and who's written an excellent design book about building MMOs. His commentary (which is actually him relaying a discussion he listened to) says nothing about the repercussions of the vote, positive or negative. It's purely concentrated on the reasons why people voted to leave. I get the impression I wouldn't see eye-to-eye politically with Richard Bartle, but I certainly found this a worthwhile commentary. Have a
read of it.