I am jealous.What do you all make of it? Are we crazy? Are you jealous?
Just for the record, I think that's one reason why the remain campaign failed - because they kept on repeating that remain is the reasonable option while leaving is emotional. Far from it. I've seen plenty of intelligent and cogent arguments in favour of leave. Heck, Dan Hannan, whom I mentioned above, wrote a whole book filled with arguments - perhaps you should check it out, as it may make you feel better about the outcome of the vote.We're crazy, and how. It's not a move based on reasoning, just on looking for scapegoats for our problems.
I am jealous.
Honestly, before the referendum, I couldn't make up my mind which result I would prefer. The mean-spirited Polish-historical part of me really wanted the British to stay under Angela Merkel's heel, so that maybe you'd finally understand that leaving your allies to face fifty years of totalitarian occupation wasn't a nice thing to do .
As Dan Hannan, one of the leave campaigners (now happily facing unemployment as an MEP) said, being in favour of football doesn't mean you have to be in favour of FIFA. It is very much the same with the EU. European integration is a fantastic thing. The EU is a horrid bureaucratic mess.
Oh, and don't worry too much. Yes, there will be short term negatives. Lots of them, in fact. Particularly if the "let's make the Brits pay!" faction wins out in the EU - the eurocrats may well yet persuade a lot of people who voted t remain to wish they could go back and vote leave, but the way they will achieve this is by making life miserable for all British people. So, yes, there will be pain. But in a few months, things will start settling down - people will realise that the sun still rises, that all this talk about the collapse of Western civilisation (yes, somebody actually said that) was just stupid. A few years down the track, you'll start reaping the benefits. Being able to restore traditional links with countries like India and Australia, you know, markets that are actually growing as opposed to the ageing and shrinking EU - will be a huge thing.
There is one major and unpleasant fly in the ointment, though. It really looks like Scotland's gone - and the only reason Northern Ireland will wind up staying is because they're too conflicted to seriously contemplate joining Ireland. This, by the way, will be another opportunity to watch what a bunch of duplicitous assholes the EU leadership are. During the Scottish referendum, they kept on bleating to the Scots that if they declare independence, they won't automatically get into the EU, they'll have to go to the back of the queue, and all that jazz. Now, just you watch: the moment Scotland declares they're launching another referendum, you'll see those exact same people that previously tried to bully the Scots into staying as part of the UK, now encouraging them to go independent. Previously, Scotland couldn't automatically get into the EU, now you'll find out that actually, if Scotland just breaks away before the UK invokes Article 50, they can just take UK's place at the table as a successor state or some such nonsense.
But of course, even Scotland leaving comes with benefits: Labour would basically be screwed out of power for a decade or more. And while the Conservatives aren't exactly an ideal party - far from it - at least they're not outright socialists.
We're crazy, and how. It's not a move based on reasoning, just on looking for scapegoats for our problems.
But we're in good company, with Trump as a presidential candidate the US seems to be just as nuts. Still we'll probably elect Boris Johnson just to one up them. Then we can all have a crazy idiot with funny hair.
This last bit is extremely important. Local rule, by definition, is something that works from the ground up. It is very difficult (though not impossible, I dearly hope) to build local rule from the top down. Great Britain has something that most EU states have lost somewhere along the way (a certain little corporal - not the German one - had something to do with that): namely, you have a continuity of customary law from the Middle Ages. This is something that you sometimes might not appreciate as important, and perhaps sometimes you even consider it a little embarrassing, like when people point out to you obsolete but still valid laws that forbid wearing armour in parliament, or the requirement to practice archery every Sunday, and the like. Or the fact that every new law is actually inscribed on parchment, i.e. goat hide. But these are all quaint little symbols of something very ancient, that by its very definition is impossible to come by, but dead easy to lose.Now, don't hate me - because I was absolutely torn in two about this but I went with leave. I chose the hard option, like a glutton for punishment. Economically, for me, staying was the safe bet - staying for me would have been the selfish option, but I'm trying to see past that, and long term all I can see is EU statehood - so I'm playing the long game if you will; I voted leave possibly for similar reasons a lot of Scots went for independence; sovereignty, I believe in local rule.
Now, don't hate me - because I was absolutely torn in two about this but I went with leave. I chose the hard option, like a glutton for punishment. Economically, for me, staying was the safe bet - staying for me would have been the selfish option, but I'm trying to see past that, and long term all I can see is EU statehood - so I'm playing the long game if you will; I voted leave possibly for similar reasons a lot of Scots went for independence; sovereignty, I believe in local rule.
I can't believe being pro EU has become such a left wing thing, I can't get my head around socialists who want centralised power far, far away. Just why?
...and despite having voted leave yesterday, I'm panicking now.
Alex... why exactly did you post that quote? There's certainly no arguments in there - it's all just emotions. The emotions are absolutely understandable - this is a huge, huge deal, and obviously there's huge emotions involved. Absolutely. But emotions are not arguments - at least, I dearly hope that you're not swayed either way by the fact that some mental case is scared about fascists coming after him. It's just not an argument, there's no reason in it.No longer being in the UK I will actually quote an acquaintance