Dran said:Just like good 'ol David Hasselhoff, perhaps there is a connection.. Then again
Linking sales numbers and "national identities" is always a pretty shifty rationale, in my view - there're just too many factors involved to say: Germans like Wing Commander because they like technology. Vorsprung durch Technik, and all that stuff.
Icefire69 said:Maybe we are just to much influenced by the US of A?
Critiscim, is not taught in school, it's more we are all bad bad bad guys, poor poor poor jews, all what Germany had was bad. Hey as far as i know, most US Childs know Chuck Yaeger i wonder how many german kids now Hartmann. And stuff like other Countrys supportet Germany back then, well it's never talked about. Just there to make us feel guilty and keep us at the bottom. No selfconfidence = easier to control.
"Germans like Wing Commander because they like technology" maybe one reason, but not a concious reason, for me that is.
And this is exactly what's wrong with Germany today. Anybody that dares to even suggest that not all Germans were evil is immediately accused of being a Nazi. No, buddy - you have much more in common with the Nazis than he does. You use the exact same debating techniques the Nazis used - to claim that anybody who even slightly disagrees with you must be an evil traitor.BarFly said:I'm pretty shure you are one of this brown pestilence - this damned Nazis. You are a disgrace to Germany
And don't tell us this Bullshit!
I do feel that I grew up with critical thinking that was supported by school and the society.
Admin: Kick this fascist out
There certainly is no way to excuse genocide - it was an evil thing to do, no matter what the motives behind it were. However that's not an excuse to ignore those motives. If you don't explore why something happened, you certainly won't be able to prevent it from happening again - and by reducing the whole thing to an argument that "Germans committed genocide because they were evil", you end up pretending that there were no motives at all.Your statement 'poor poor poor jews' is somewhat of cynical with about 6 million killed. I really don't no what to say.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever actually seen a history book? Because it doesn't sound like it...And yes we germans have been guilty! We have been the evil and we have been the bad bad bad guys, because we started 2 Wars with about 60 or more millions death!
- On January 18, 1871, Wilhelm I became the first emperor of the German Reich, or Empire. He appointed Otto von Bismarck as chancellor. With his focus on developing the new empire, Bismarck avoided conflicts with other nations and formed an alliance with Austria-Hungary and Italy, known as the Triple Alliance.
- After Wilhelm I and his successor, Frederick-III, died in 1888, 29-year-old Wilhelm-II ascended the throne. Wilhelm-II, or Kaiser Wilhelm, forced Bismarck to resign and followed a policy of expanding Germany’s influence throughout the world. “Under Wilhelm-II,” says one historian, “[Germany] assumed an arrogant and a truculent-air.”
- August 24, 1898 - Czar Nicholas-II of Russia called a peace conference in The Hague, Netherlands. This conference and the one that followed it in 1907 established the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague. the German Reich as well as Great Britain become members of this court.
- Kaiser Wilhelm though was building up an imperial rule designed to expand the German Reich and extend its influence. Wilhelm-II pursued colonial goals in Africa and other places. Wanting to challenge British supremacy at sea, he proceeded to build a powerful navy. “Germany’s naval power went from being negligible to being second only to Britain’s in little more than a decade.”
- In order to maintain its supremacy, Britain actually had to expand its own naval program. Britain also negotiated the entente cordiale (cordial understanding) with France and a similar agreement with Russia, forming the Triple Entente. Europe was now divided into two military camps—the Triple Alliance on one side and the Triple Entente on the other. Austria-Hungary and Italy were Roman Catholic. Therefore, the Triple Alliance also enjoyed papal favor, whereas the largely non-Catholic Triple Entente, did not.
- On June 28, 1918 Austrian Archduke Francis Ferdinand and his wife were assassinated by a Serbian terrorist in Sarajevo, Bosnia. That was the spark that touched off World-War-I.
- Kaiser Wilhelm urged Austria-Hungary to retaliate against Serbia. Assured of German support, Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia on July 28, 1914.
- However Russia came to Serbia’s aid. When Germany declared war on Russia, France (an ally in the Triple Entente) gave support to Russia.
- Germany then declared war on France. To make Paris more readily accessible, Germany invaded Belgium, whose neutrality had been guaranteed by Britain.
- So Britain declared war on Germany. Other nations became involved, and Italy switched sides.
Edfilho said:Funny that the Japanese liked Ultima. Didn't know that, I'm really surprised.
Quarto said:And this is exactly what's wrong with Germany today. Anybody that dares to even suggest that not all Germans were evil is immediately accused of being a Nazi. No, buddy - you have much more in common with the Nazis than he does. You use the exact same debating techniques the Nazis used - to claim that anybody who even slightly disagrees with you must be an evil traitor.
There certainly is no way to excuse genocide - it was an evil thing to do, no matter what the motives behind it were. However If you don't explore why something happened, you certainly won't be able to prevent it from happening again - and by reducing the whole thing to an argument that "Germans committed genocide because they were evil", .you end up that there were no motives at all
Just out of curiosity, have you ever actually seen a history book? Because it doesn't sound like it...
Vinman said:its a shame you can't mention Germany on the internet without this sort of thing happening