Kilrathi War Casualties

Hey, why did Confed have ANY carriers, if fighter-mounted weapons couldn't penetrate shields? Why build the damn things if they're useless? They said that it would take about a hundred fighters hitting the same spot to even DAMAGE the shields of a cruiser or destroyer.

I guess the fighters could destroy some ground targets, some space installations, and space-to-surface transports. To stop that, the enemy would develop fighters of their own...but, other than that, why would they make fighters at all? Or bombers? If bombers couldn't penetrate shields, they're just flying trucks (or pigs!).

This has really got me buffalo'ed.

Oh, and redwolf...humans aren't flying squirrels. We live in many different and diverse environments, and we have the ability to modify our environment on a global scale, making us the masters of the planet. Human populations exhibit logistic growth...that is, exponential growth that tapers off, eventually becoming zero population growth, with birth and death rates balance.

The ecosystem will collapse? What are you smoking? The Earth isn't one ecosystem. We won't be pushing our own extinction...we're at the point where, short of a planet-killing asteriod or nuclear war, we can't be killed. If the population gets to be too much, then we will either have a war (yes, some wars have erupted from population pressure) or we will taper off to zero population growth.

The countries with people starving? Do you have any idea how corrupt the governments in some of those countries are? Very, very corrupt. Look at portions of South America...especially the ones that practice slash-and-burn with the rainforests.

There is a huge amount of unused real estate on this planet. We'd all go somewhere...

[Edited by Nep Parth on 05-03-2001 at 14:25]
 
Carriers were originally used to launch fast recon ship and for bombing of installations, according to AS.

To feed our 30 billion plus people in Earth, mankind created orbital hydroponics station... it's in the Voices of War manual.
 
That makes sense...after all, what was it? The Blue Admiral officially lost the Panama Wargame because he wasted his "carrier scouting potential".

The hydoponics makes sense as well...hydroponics would be a vast improvement on traditional growing techniques.
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
Ten to fifteen carriers is reletively sufficient when the *enemy* is only capable of producing that many ships as well...
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I regret that you can't fly in battles involving four or five carriers + their escort ships and fly groups.
I liked Xwing VS Tie Fighter for that. I mean that for me, giant battles are missing in Wing Co. The only one we have (but I can be wrong) is the final battle in Prophecy, the one near the wormhole.
 
I wouldnt say the final battle in Prophecy is the only one that is considered "large battle". There were quite a few bogies to take out before going planetside to blow up Kilrah in WCIII. But if your looking for a huge battle, grab Academy and make a mission with as many bogies as you want!! :)

RFB
 
There's a few more in Secret Ops...I like the battle with the destroyer near the Ella Superbase :)

I occasionally just let the CapShip missiles hit the Ella Superbase, to see all that neat battle damage...
 
Originally posted by Nep Parth
Human populations exhibit logistic growth...that is, exponential growth that tapers off, eventually becoming zero population growth, with birth and death rates balance.

I don't see it balancing out any time soon. By then, we will have too many people and everything that we depend on for survival, from the largest tree that produces oxygen to the tiniest microbe that helps decompose that tree's matter, will be DEAD. Thus us with it.

The ecosystem will collapse? What are you smoking? The Earth isn't one ecosystem. We won't be pushing our own extinction...we're at the point where, short of a planet-killing asteriod or nuclear war, we can't be killed. If the population gets to be too much, then we will either have a war (yes, some wars have erupted from population pressure) or we will taper off to zero population growth.

Do you see us getting anywhere in the next few hundred years? Even in WC, they didn't go anywhere habitable until at least 2200/2300. By then we could be dead for reasons above.

[B}The countries with people starving? Do you have any idea how corrupt the governments in some of those countries are? Very, very corrupt. Look at portions of South America...especially the ones that practice slash-and-burn with the rainforests.

There is a huge amount of unused real estate on this planet. We'd all go somewhere...

Who said I gave a fuck about the people? I am more concerned with the mass extinction of rare and endangered species THAT WE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO REPLACE than with the death of humans. We have no shortage of people. We are a cancer on the face of the Earth. We may slash and burn forests to provide living space for us, yet were not going to live for long if we don't have anything to breathe! Such technology is far out of our reach on a massive scale!

The truth is there is hardly any unused real estate on this planet. In fact, it is being used, and increasingly TAKEN FORCEFULLY by the human race. If this were done to humans, we would consider it 'stealing', funnily enough humans happen to be the world's biggest hypocrites.

I'm not one for character assassination, but its people like you Nep Parth that cause the destruction of our world and everything living in it. Its about time you started to realise that if we don't REVERSE population growth, there wont be anyone to carry on the legacy of the human race. Perhaps it is for the better.
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Nice speech! Until the world gets away from using oil instead of renewable energies, that alone will kill the ecosystem. I can see it now....[space ship pulls up to a Texaco to get a tank full of ethyl, city busses in Boston run on hydrogen power plants]....talk about screwey.

RFB
 
When red fixes his quoting I'll be able to reply to that message, but I can reply to yours now, RFB...

How will the use of oil destroy our ecosystem? Nothing besides humans use it, so removing it from the ground does nothing to harm the world.

Your statement makes me curious to know just exactly what you think oil is used for.




[Edited by Frosty on 05-06-2001 at 11:51]
 
Do you live in an area filled with pumpjacks leaking that oil all over the ground, contaminating the ground water 80 percent of said populace depends on? Do you go thru the day to day experience of smelling H2S gasses? Do you constantly use bottle after bottle of bleach in your laundry to rid the smell of oil? Does any of the washing machines at the laundromats in your area have posted on them "greasers only"? Are your streets covered with oil field "residues" making your car look like it got bombarded with little black oily dots due to that junk being all over the road from the oil field trucks? Does a glass of water from your tap develop a filmy resedue if left sitting for 30 mins? Is over half your areas population walking around with oxygen breathers? Do you have refineries pumping out tons of black soot smoke everyday? Does a section of your community have a pending lawsuit against those refineries for causing serious health hazzards? Do you live anywhere near an oil field? If not, go visit one someday, take a deep deep breath, hopefully, you will be standing "upwind". If you dont know what that means, you have no idea!

RFB
 
Originally posted by RFBurns
Do you live in an area filled with pumpjacks leaking that oil all over the ground, contaminating the ground water 80 percent of said populace depends on? Do you go thru the day to day experience of smelling H2S gasses? Do you constantly use bottle after bottle of bleach in your laundry to rid the smell of oil? Does any of the washing machines at the laundromats in your area have posted on them "greasers only"? Are your streets covered with oil field "residues" making your car look like it got bombarded with little black oily dots due to that junk being all over the road from the oil field trucks? Does a glass of water from your tap develop a filmy resedue if left sitting for 30 mins? Is over half your areas population walking around with oxygen breathers? Do you have refineries pumping out tons of black soot smoke everyday? Does a section of your community have a pending lawsuit against those refineries for causing serious health hazzards? Do you live anywhere near an oil field? If not, go visit one someday, take a deep deep breath, hopefully, you will be standing "upwind". If you dont know what that means, you have no idea!

RFB
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So what are you mad at me for hmm? I asked you two questions, neither of which did you come even remotely close to answering.

Tell me, how is drilling for oil going to destroy the planet and make it undesirable for life to exist?

And what exactly do you think oil is for? You seem to believe we could exist without it.
 
Mad at you? Whos mad? I was just giving you a small sample of what some have to go thru living in an area that does nothing but oil. Oil is an antiquated technology, although lubricants and plastics will be needed in the future, burning it like today to run cars etc, is not a viable source of energy with the way population is growing and with all the power shortages going on, the solution is obvious. Use renewable energies, quit depending on oil, cause not only will it destroy the ozone, but ground resources too. Hopefully all those animals in Alaska will find a new home once they start drilling up there to try to solve the electricity shortage. (HA) A majority of the power plants run on natural gas or coal.

No one is mad at you. Where did you get that idea from? With hydrogen power, which the technology does exist, why do we need oil when a much cleaner energy source is all around us? There is only one reason to continue to use oil, and that is to line the pockets of big oil companies and politicians. Look at what GWB wants to do!

RFB

[Edited by RFBurns on 05-06-2001 at 11:57]
 
Originally posted by RFBurns
No one is mad at you. Where did you get that idea from?
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Your post came off as very angry. And since it was directed at me I naturally assumed that the anger was too.

People these days overreact. They assume that humans are an evil force of destruction that doesn't belong on this planet. All we do is destroy and terrorize. We level the habitats and take the precious lives of countless millions of beautiful and noble creatures far more deserving of life than any human ever was.

The fact is that the world is really big. I mean really big. It would take much more than we could currently muster up to destroy it, despite what everyone is constantly screaming.
 
Sorry, didnt mean for it to sound like it was directed at you, I get very upset over how the oil industry is monopolizing the world economy, I mean it seems that the price of a gallon of gas is determined by OPEC, and with that kind of manipulation, and the dependancy on their oil, the world should really look into alternatives. I just cant see mankind going into the future while we depend on a technology that is from the late 1800's. If they successfully tested hydrogen power plants in city busses in several major US cities, and they proved to be a reliable energy source, why would anyone want to continue to use oil when a far better energy source exists?

Again it wasnt directed at you Frosty, Im sorry if it sounded like that. :)

RFB
 
Originally posted by Frosty
The fact is that the world is really big. I mean really big. It would take much more than we could currently muster up to destroy it, despite what everyone is constantly screaming.
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Well, of course the planet Earth is totally unaffected by human activities. We're, uh, bio-degradable :). However, it does appear to be true that if humans are trying to create an environment in which they will have trouble surviving, they are doing it very well. Pollution and overpopulation, species extinction, and so on, do not affect the planet - but it affects humans. Being human, I'm rather bothered by what's going on... but hey, if you don't think any of this is gonna affect you or your descendants, go ahead and ignore it all.
 
I believe taking steps is the proper thing to do, just not wacko ones. A lot of environmentalist groups tend to be more militant anti-people groups than anything else. And in some cases, as I stated in a post a few months back, sometimes people are beneficial.

As for oil, I think we should suck it all out of the ground. We need it for plastic. And I'd still prefer a gas engine in my car for now.
 
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