J.J. Abrams To Direct 'Star Trek XI'
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Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
I banned Fatcat because he was being stupid.
meisdavidp
All your belief cannot absolve your sin.
Don said:
Did not you just make a pointless comment?
Lt.Death100
Spaceman
No I believe he's putting too much stock into 1 thing Fatcat said when the other things he's said far outweigh that.meisdavidp said:
ChrisReid
Super Soaker Collector / Administrator
meisdavidp said:
It's like I'm looking into a mirror with another mirror behind it trying to see how deep it goes.
Don said:
People need to stop ruining threads with this stuff. If there's something in the last dozen posts or so that you don't understand, just know that it pertains to previous stupid discussions in the past that you missed.
LeHah
212 Squadron - "The Old Man's Eyes And Ears"
Bandit LOAF said:
I've personally never understood anyone's problems with Berman or Braga. They were around during some of the best moments of TNG and DS9. To shake your fist at them because you hated a couple of things while they were doing dozens of great things is stupid.
Bandit LOAF said:
I don't think Star Trek V was all that great, given the lopsided direction of Shatner. While I do agree that Star Trek has a set standard in terms of formula, I do think that the director really sets the tone in terms of movie quality. I personally love Generations as a guilty pleasure movie - but it looks like a really expensive TNG episode or just a cheap film with beautiful lighting.
Bandit LOAF said:
I've not bothered to listen to the director commentaries because they tend to be incredibly boring to me unless its a very unusual movie (The Limey) or the director is a really interesting personality (Conan The Barbarian)
Bandit LOAF said:
Though I have strong dislike of the Borg episodes of Voyager, I do blame the look and feel on First Contact which was a strangely boring movie. TNG was my favorite of the five ST series because I grew up with it but the movies were almost completely shallow and worth little more than seeing half-ass director Bryan Singer getting sucked out the viewscreen. (That'll teach him to make crappy superhero movies!)
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
On one hand, it's their specific job to take the blame for anything anyone wants to complain about... unfortunately, they happened to hold that job in this odd era, where the stinking masses of internet cretins can exist with absolute power and no responsibility in critical terms.
I don't really blame Shatner's direction for Star Trek V. I think the big problems with Star Trek 5 are, again, the writing... but even moreso in this case, Star Trek IV hanging over the production. Star Trek IV was an amazing crossover success because of was a silly comedy (in some European countries were Star Trek wasn't popular they didn't even put Star Trek in the title!)... so Star Trek V was staring down the barrel of the gun of having to somehow keep that audience with more humor but also not to offend Star Trek fans. So you have it written as this bizarre mix of one man's quest for God while Spock is flying around in rocket boots and the Klingons are throwing surprise parties. Most of the things Star Trek V does horribly wrong are because it was written to tow this line -- Spock flying around in rocket boots, the bridge crew singing campfire songs, a big Klingon party at the end... nothing to do with where Kirk pointed his camera.
The Nemesis one is enjoyable because the guy is absolutely clueless and absolutely in love with Tom Hardy. It's the source of a great many jokes between my brother and I.
"Now, I think Tom is really the star of this picture... I mean, Patrick was great and all, but even he would agree, I think, that Tom Hardy made this movie... he's just magnificant..." over and over -- and what does the guy even do in the darned film? Make a few menacing comments about threatening to drink Captain Picard's blood?
The uniforms thing is telling, I think. You watched DS9 and TNG and you immediately knew (if you weren't an internet submoron) that the uniforms were different because they needed to keep the shows visually distinct... and you kind of rationalized in your mind that it was because the full-color uniforms were for starship crews and the mostly-black ones were for space station crews. And then bammo, Generations suddenly has everyone in the black DS9-style uniforms... and you just know immediately it's because they want to save money and only make new oufits they can wear on the ongoing show. Same thing with First Contacct -- the new blue uniforms were great, a nice change just like the original movies... but the *next week* they were on DS9, and the new signature space suit props were suddenly on Voyager over and over. There was this obvious, subconscious connection to the weekly series' that it made, which came off as very very cheap -- instead of being a special every-few-years-event, TNG movies were an extra two hours of Star Trek that you paid more to see.
Maj.Striker
Swabbie
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In my opinion, Star Trek VI was possibly the best trek movie made. There's none of them that I dislike but VI was just absolutely fantastic. Christopher Plummer was phenomenal as the bad guy and the entire movie seemed to hit everything just right. To me, that is the standard to which hold all the newer star trek movies to. Nemesis was (in my opinon) a case of extremely poor writing to begin with. They'd have been better off making the movie about another encounter with the crossover universe and Picard fighting his actual counterpart in the other universe then a younger clone of himself...kinda cheesy to me.
AD
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LeHah said:
I actually found my self quite enjoying Threshold (or what little of it got to air). Despite some silly aspects I thought it was pretty good for a TV show. Now I know its a studios perogative to cancel shows that don't pull in enough vewiers, but to read countless internet threads after the fact about internet nerds refusing to watch the show and trying to get others not to as well simply because Braga was the producer was somewhat disheartenting. They were even spouting the typical "Braga Killed Enterprise" crap and then saying they hoped the show would tank... with out ever actually watching the show.
For those interested, the "unaired" episodes did play on sky one in the UK and should be available in the US on the DVD set when it comes out... And those episodes are pretty good too. One of the complaints was that some people thought the show was a bit slow paced yet it seems like it was axes just as the show was slowely ramping up the pace each episode...
I agree, Picard as a 24th century Rambo was ridiculous & killing off Data was downright moronic.Maj.Striker said:
Almost worse than the bad script, was the acting of all the actors playing Romulan characters in Nemesis. Except for the make-up, they went romulans at all but humans, they behave like humans in every way & this is believe is mainly the fault of the director. He clearly didn't know what Romulans are like. He should have at least watched the TNG eps. with Cmdr. Tomalak
(all this make me almost think that they wanted to movie to fail)
Star Trek VI definitely has the best story (who wrote it, btw?) but I like watching ST II : The wrath of Khan a little bit more.Maj.Striker said:
Concerning ST XI : They're risking the entire future of the franchise on this movie & messing with the Kirk & Spock character is extremely risky.
I hope J.J. Abrams is a real trekkie (TOS style), otherwise I fear he will mess it up just like what happened with the Romulans in ST X
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
The problem is that it's a silly internet catch phrase, not something anyone has given reasonable thought to. The idea that Star Trek needs to "rest" might (and it's a very distant might, in my mind) make sense if you're speaking in terms of some immeasurable recharge required of the people currently in charge of the show... but when the news is that an entirely *new* team is going to be running Star Trek, the concept loses whatever shread of relevance it once had -- JJ Abrams isn't burned out on Star Trek.
Those sound like elements that are decided by the *writer*.
I have some problems with Star Trek VI, but I do love its character.
(Lets face it, from a practical standpoint there's a lot in Star Trek VI that just doesn't makes sense -- from the uncomfortable gymnastics they go through to jam the titular Shakespeare line into the movie to the practical fact that Spock putting a homing device on Kirk's jacket makes absolutely no sense. Does he do that on every mission and we just don't see it? Or did he expect that Kirk would be arrested, tried and then sent to Klingon jail... without ever having to change his clothes?)
Mav23
Swabbie
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Bandit LOAF said:
I thought the "re-charge" had more to do with the general publics perception of Star Trek. And that many felt that without a rest most people would just feel like they were getting bombarded with Trek every few years, perpetually until the end of their lives. Although it seems to me like the only people who go to see Trek movies are Star Trek fans. I have never witnessed "the general public" flocking to any space-ship movies, excepting maybe Star Wars.
t.c.cgi
Vice Admiral
Confed said:
An ignorant outsider killed Spock once. People bitched up and down the street when that idea was announced. You can draw your own conclusions, but fear of outsiders is really odd because outsiders bring things that the original cadre wouldn't have dared doing, such as killing main characters that are invincible by default, or opting for militaristic uniforms over utopian scientist garb. Really a director should be judged by his track record, not how many episodes he has memorized.
Althought the writer describes those elements in the script, he has no control over the actors' performance afterwards.Bandit LOAF said:Those sound like elements that are decided by the *writer*.
The director does, especially if it's a bigshot like in the case of Nemesis.
If he directed ST VIII : First Contact, he probably would have told the guys portraying Borg drones to put more emotion into their performance
At least after viewing the Wrath of Khan, you immediately know they will bring him back thanks to "the Genesis effect". Data however is not coming back, we are only left with his idiot brother B4.t.c.cgi said:
Killing off popular characters in a show is an excellent way to decrease the quality of future movies/episodes as well as piss off the fans. It is rarely a good move.t.c.cgi said:
It would at least have been better if Data would have been the one playing Rambo/Commando & Picard (who is human and in his 50's) had been the one sacrificing himself for his crew and ship.
His track record : Zero experience directing Star Trek or anything like it.t.c.cgi said:
So the least he can do to make up for his lack of xp in the genre, is to review relevant material to get an idea of how the main races (like Romulans) should behave.