I’ve downloaded it recently and watched just the first 15 minutes (plan to watch it completely in the near future). From what I have seen so far it is a great achievement what they did. Such kind of project needs much work and commitment. It would be great to see something similar around here, although I’m a bigger fan of an animation project.gevatter Lars said:
How about.... a WC fanfilm?
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gevatter Lars
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I agree that fans could to something worth watching but not without sacrificing something...sparetime, money, sleep and a lot of your sanity ^_^
It has taken me two month of work for my little ~1min trailer...and that was a very simple one.
For something like even a 10min short shot that would be interesting and has a good quality you would need quite some equipment at least at semipro level with some persons who know how to use it right, some computers..best in a network and a bunch of people working on it. Scriptwriters, someone who could draw a storyboard will be very helpfull. Then some people as actors, costumes, greenscreen, some people who can build stuff out of nothing if you need other props like guns, tables, anything the people should hold in their hands or carry.
It would be a difficule task but from my experiance with my short trailer and seein what other people have done I think its possible...just very difficult.
I think one of the most difficult task is, beside coordinating all these people, to get them together at one place and keep them their till its finished.
It has taken me two month of work for my little ~1min trailer...and that was a very simple one.
For something like even a 10min short shot that would be interesting and has a good quality you would need quite some equipment at least at semipro level with some persons who know how to use it right, some computers..best in a network and a bunch of people working on it. Scriptwriters, someone who could draw a storyboard will be very helpfull. Then some people as actors, costumes, greenscreen, some people who can build stuff out of nothing if you need other props like guns, tables, anything the people should hold in their hands or carry.
It would be a difficule task but from my experiance with my short trailer and seein what other people have done I think its possible...just very difficult.
I think one of the most difficult task is, beside coordinating all these people, to get them together at one place and keep them their till its finished.
gevatter Lars
Vice Admiral
Make a list of all possible startpoints and then pick the one you got your first idea for.
Look at the situation that is given at that point, what characters and events are allready given form the different sources, maybe contact some people here to verify things if you aren't sure and then think about what could happend from that point on.
I think their isn't a "You must start from here" thing.
Look at the situation that is given at that point, what characters and events are allready given form the different sources, maybe contact some people here to verify things if you aren't sure and then think about what could happend from that point on.
I think their isn't a "You must start from here" thing.
ChanceKell
Rear Admiral
Let me reiterate the point that an online-collaboration fanfilm is a vain, sad effort. Novice filmmaking hasn't evolved to a point where dozens of fans from across the world can work together on a single product. Unless you are needing some speciality like CGI help or a composer, films are best made locally, either by yourself or with a crew of some sort. It's unlikely that you're going to find ten people on this board that live within a few hours of yourself and want to help on the film. What is going to keep people that live a few thousand miles away from agreeing to help and then stop responding to your e-mails?
As for online script collaboration? Here's a scenario; one person will suggest basing it off the book, then three posts will begin to question either the legal issue or the artistic one over originality, another five will begin to sidestep the thread towards a debate over the best book to base it off of, one post will be an attempted witty comment, and the cycle will continue, growing exponentially. What do you have if the thread lasts more than a week?
"1. EXT. SPACE"
I've always wanted to do some sort of science-based fanfilm (for some odd reason), but as a student of film, I know one thing: They're damned hard to make! It costs money, time, and experience points, so-to-speak. I certainly wouldn't have tried and make a special-effects intensive, other-world story for my first film. I definately don't suggest it to anyone who either doesn't study the craft and art or isn't at least semi-professional.
I do know that Wing Commander is losing to a few other "universes" in the Great Fanfilm War. Also, there have been a lot of people making fanfilms who are by no means Hollywood types. There have been a lot of mixed results, but each one of them had a lot of hard work put into them, and all of them added to their respective communities.
As for online script collaboration? Here's a scenario; one person will suggest basing it off the book, then three posts will begin to question either the legal issue or the artistic one over originality, another five will begin to sidestep the thread towards a debate over the best book to base it off of, one post will be an attempted witty comment, and the cycle will continue, growing exponentially. What do you have if the thread lasts more than a week?
"1. EXT. SPACE"
I've always wanted to do some sort of science-based fanfilm (for some odd reason), but as a student of film, I know one thing: They're damned hard to make! It costs money, time, and experience points, so-to-speak. I certainly wouldn't have tried and make a special-effects intensive, other-world story for my first film. I definately don't suggest it to anyone who either doesn't study the craft and art or isn't at least semi-professional.
I do know that Wing Commander is losing to a few other "universes" in the Great Fanfilm War. Also, there have been a lot of people making fanfilms who are by no means Hollywood types. There have been a lot of mixed results, but each one of them had a lot of hard work put into them, and all of them added to their respective communities.
AD
Finder of things, Doer of stuff
ChanceKell said:
Given that someone could get sets, space to film, a shooting schedule and script /concept art/ storyboards in place before hand, something like dragoncon could be the perfect opportunity to have enough fans available in on place to film. Then editing, music, and effects could very well be done collaboratively over the net.
But, this would need sure-handed direction, dedication, and organization. Everything needs to be inplsce well before the convention (as I assume everyone will still want to take in the exhibits) so that all the shots can be made in the few days everyone is there.
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
I don't think that's a realistic scenario at all. I'm not especially interested in most fan films, but I do know for a fact that online collaboration is something this community *shines* at. From the 200+ part multi-author Holding the Line serial to professional quality games like Standoff to the CIC itself, we're good at getting together online and putting out a heck of an impressive product.
gevatter Lars
Vice Admiral
A CGI film would be possible with only online work...not to say that it still would need a heck of coordination and planing. A film with real actors is a complete different matter. I agree with ChanceKell that such a film has to be made at one location where you can gather everyone quickly enough to work.
I also think that a meeting at a convention is a quite bad idea because the convention would distract attention from what to do.
Depending on the length/size of the project you would need most likely month together not weeks or days. You aren't professional actors, cameraman, lightsetters or anything else. That means you will need a lot more time then a professional team would need and even these people need a lot of time and nerves.
Even if you meet at a con and would be as much as you can prepared you won't most like not find the time to go to the con at all. That is if you are looking for some quality in what you are doing. That mean even if the set is allready prepared when you arrive...shooting the scene takes a lot of time because you most likely don't have good actors.
The list goes on and on of why a real-acted movie would be very very difficult. I don't say impossible but hard if you go for a semi-pro level....at least that is my experiance I had when shooting short spots for a fantasyshop and a fantasycon....and also for the short trailer.
Rember that it took me 2 month for 1 minute...and even the short acted scenes took me half a day to get the lightning fiting to the CGI and then getting the actors to do it half has good as I wanted.
Thats why I would say...a short CGI would be more likely possible, if you find someone good enough with character animation...and a real film is harder.
For a short film I would guess that you need at least 5-10 people dedicated to it for about half a year minimum to 2 years.
I also think that a meeting at a convention is a quite bad idea because the convention would distract attention from what to do.
Depending on the length/size of the project you would need most likely month together not weeks or days. You aren't professional actors, cameraman, lightsetters or anything else. That means you will need a lot more time then a professional team would need and even these people need a lot of time and nerves.
Even if you meet at a con and would be as much as you can prepared you won't most like not find the time to go to the con at all. That is if you are looking for some quality in what you are doing. That mean even if the set is allready prepared when you arrive...shooting the scene takes a lot of time because you most likely don't have good actors.
The list goes on and on of why a real-acted movie would be very very difficult. I don't say impossible but hard if you go for a semi-pro level....at least that is my experiance I had when shooting short spots for a fantasyshop and a fantasycon....and also for the short trailer.
Rember that it took me 2 month for 1 minute...and even the short acted scenes took me half a day to get the lightning fiting to the CGI and then getting the actors to do it half has good as I wanted.
Thats why I would say...a short CGI would be more likely possible, if you find someone good enough with character animation...and a real film is harder.
For a short film I would guess that you need at least 5-10 people dedicated to it for about half a year minimum to 2 years.
ChrisReid
Super Soaker Collector / Administrator
gevatter Lars said:
AD wasn't talking about attending a science fiction/fantasy convention at all. He was simply referring to the event where people working on the project met up. Any gathering for any purpose can be referred to as a "convention."
gevatter Lars said:
It just depends what you're doing. I've made 20-30 minute movies for school in a couple days.
gevatter Lars
Vice Admiral
He was talking about the dragoncon as a point to meet and that their should be some time to let people see the con...thats what I understood.
As for doing the shooting. Yes it realy depends on what you do and what technologie you got at your hands. Also the time and space/room for preparations is importend.
I think one could debate the pro and cons to death without any progress at all.
So the best thing might be to just let people post their ideas and concepts and then it would be possible to discuss what needs to be done and what the chances are that it will be done.
As for doing the shooting. Yes it realy depends on what you do and what technologie you got at your hands. Also the time and space/room for preparations is importend.
I think one could debate the pro and cons to death without any progress at all.
So the best thing might be to just let people post their ideas and concepts and then it would be possible to discuss what needs to be done and what the chances are that it will be done.
ChrisReid
Super Soaker Collector / Administrator
gevatter Lars said:
You're right, he did also mention DragonCon. Yeah, we'd never get a film done during that. We're pulled in a dozen different directions and don't even begin to get to do everything we'd like to do just in regards to the con. Some people usually get together prior to that, but it's more likely a special meeting would be necessary.