True,a lot of fans did not like it,but the majority of fans,who are not as hardcore,did not even care.I know of some people who have been fans of the series from the start and didn't mind any of it.Your correct in saying that a lot of,hardcore, fans did not like it,but in movie numbers this is not much.Originally posted by Pedro
I think you find you're in the minority there, I know enough people in the Wing Commander community to know people would have been far happier without these very MAJOR differences, I mean really what were the similarities apart from the names that couldn't have applied to any old sci fi film.
The thing with the games is they may have been heavily inspired by WW2 but they didn't simply try to recreate it, the film really did just seem like they plucked out submarines and put them in space.
Chris Roberts: "that was before I'd even pitched him on my WWII in space concept"
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
Aside: In these movie-fans versus non-movie-fans discussions, why do -- despite the lack of any evidence to support such claims -- the non-movie-fans *repeatedly* insist that they're in some sort of majority? See above!
Oh, well then the assumption that we weho enjoyed the movie are a minority must be trueOriginally posted by The_Gneech
this board is the first place I've encountered movie-fans
The large group of WCM fans (outside this board) have combined with those that loved SUPERNOVA to rave about both films at another chat board.Originally posted by Frosty
Oh, well then the assumption that we weho enjoyed the movie are a minority must be trueOriginally posted by The_Gneech
this board is the first place I've encountered movie-fans
From this can we assume that all of your friends (whom you told you liked the movie) enjoyed it? And, for those that did enjoy it, after hearing your review, can we say that you shaped their opinion of it?Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
Anyway, *of course* you had an impact on your friends opinions of the movie -- you told them what you thought, didn't you? And you just a moment ago claimed that it was hard to *convince* people to play old games... clearly you didn't just 'suggest' something... your story doesn't hold water.
Not in the same universe!?! Say whatever you want about the quality of the movie, but there is no doubt it was part of the WCU - now being a part of the WC timeline/canon - well that's debatable and has been argued many many many times. The only series-Movie conversion that I've seen pulled off with any success (in keeping to the timeline) is Star Trek - but even they probably had a few holes.Originally posted by Pedro
I enjoyed almost all the books, especially False Colors, End Run and Freedom Flight, I even liked the cartoon but all these things just felt like they were in the same universe, the movie did not and a lot of people do feel that way, so if its only 40% I don't really care, thats too many.
That makes no sense.Originally posted by Marcml30
The large group of WCM fans (outside this board) have combined with those that loved SUPERNOVA to rave about both films at another chat board.
You think you're so clever, don't you?From this can we assume that all of your friends (whom you told you liked the movie) enjoyed it? And, for those that did enjoy it, after hearing your review, can we say that you shaped their opinion of it?
They're not nearly as vocal as the movie haters are. Personally, I wouldn't normally just go and say I liked the movie a lot, in fear of what horrible replies I might get.Originally posted by Marcml30
The large group of WCM fans (outside this board) have combined with those that loved SUPERNOVA to rave about both films at another chat board.
Originally posted by Pedro
I enjoyed almost all the books, especially False Colors, End Run and Freedom Flight, I even liked the cartoon but all these things just felt like they were in the same universe, the movie did not and a lot of people do feel that way, so if its only 40% I don't really care, thats too many.
Supernova was another box office bomb - if any fans of that movie exist they must be few (based on sales). I was making a facetious reference to Supernova (which I also hated). To be fair - we don't really know how many people that saw WCM actually hated it. Just like we don't know how many TR viewers really like the movie - sales alone do not mean that people liked/hated the movie. We could say that most people that saw WCM loved it and it would have performed better had it been marketed better.Originally posted by Frosty
That makes no sense.Originally posted by Marcml30
The large group of WCM fans (outside this board) have combined with those that loved SUPERNOVA to rave about both films at another chat board.
Originally posted by Frosty
Originally posted by Marcml30
You think you're so clever, don't you?From this can we assume that all of your friends (whom you told you liked the movie) enjoyed it? And, for those that did enjoy it, after hearing your review, can we say that you shaped their opinion of it?
Of course that's not what 'we' can assume. Having an impact on someone != changing someone's mind. Causing someone to think doesn't necessarily change their mind. Don't be snotty.
Hey, I was just reversing the comment made by LOAF. Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought his post implied that Pedro's friends hated the movie because he (Pedro) told them HE hated it. And I absolutely agree with you, if I tell a friend that I hated/loved something - that should not necessarily change their mind.Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
Your problem is that you're somehow assuming that your group of friends -- whose opinions YOU shaped (you just said you were the reason they played the games, didn't you?) are somehow representative of the entire world.
[Edited by Marcml30 on 07-25-2001 at 21:39]