Wing Commander Collectible Trading Card Game Usenet Posts
The Terran Knowledge Bank
The creators of the Wing Commander Collectible Trading Card Game made themselves available on the Usenet in 1995 and 1996 to promote the game and answer questions. Posts by Don Perrin and Chrome Sync are archived below, providing both rules clarifications and valuable context to the game's release history.
May 5, 1995
From: Don....@f16132.n666.z1.mag7.com (Don Perrin) Subject: Wing Commander Date: 1995/05/05 Message-ID: <799729835.AA04652@mag7.fullfeed.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 102057013 distribution: world sender: fred...@mag7.fullfeed.com newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc On May 04 95, Koch Ronald Andrew wrote: KRA> From: rak321s@nic.smsu.edu (Koch Ronald Andrew) KRA> Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc KRA> Date: 4 May 1995 12:11:26 -0500 KRA> Hey out there...I'm wondering if anybody out there knows KRA> anything about the Wing Commander CCG I saw advertised KRA> around here a while back. I'm a huge fan of the entire WC KRA> series, and if anybody has any info, it would be greatly KRA> appreciated. The Wing Commander collectable card game will be released in August of this year. It will be published by Mag Force 7 (the makers of the Star of the Guardians CCG) in agreement with Origin Systems, and be designed by myself and Don Perrin (designer SotG). In creating this game we have tried to capture the flavor and features of the Wing Commander III game, and as a result there will be two different decks offered - one for the Terran Confederation, and the other for the cat-like alien Kilrathi. Each deck will contain cards specifically for that side, and they will have separate backs. The game itself captures the feel of two dueling carriers, each launching their fighters to strike against the other. You win by sinking your opponent's carrier, or reducing his ability to carry on the battle to nil. The game is currently in playtest in a number of areas across the country, and we are receiving the first art pieces now (which look wonderful and are by a number of excellent space artists, including Alan Guiterez and Barkley Shaw). Its really shaping up to look like a cool game, and more information will be available as we rocket towards our print date. Hope this helps,
From: chrome@netcom.com (Chrome Sync) Subject: Re: Wing Commander Date: 1995/05/05 Message-ID: <chromeD847y3.A46@netcom.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 102056984 sender: chrome@netcom17.netcom.com references: <3ob1ru$1m69@nic.smsu.edu> organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc Koch Ronald Andrew (rak321s@nic.smsu.edu) wrote: : Hey out there...I'm wondering if anybody out there knows anything about the : Wing Commander CCG I saw advertised around here a while back. I'm a huge : fan of the entire WC series, and if anybody has any info, it would be greatly : appreciated. : Please E-mail, since I don't read this too often. : Thanx in advance, Wing Commander is currently in playtesting. It used a modified version of the Lane-to-Lane system from Star of the Guardians. The game still needs a few tweaks, but is very fun to play. While I personally haven't played any of the WC computer games, everyone else in my group has, and they're very happy with the adaptation. (Frankly, they're also happy with the play, but I'm the perfectionist in the bunch!) If I recall rightly, Wing Commander is set for an August 15th release. Best, -CS ******************************************************** * Chrome Sync -- Maintainer, Star of the Guardians FAQ * * Mag Force 7 Internet NetRep -- CCG Player & Designer * * FTP at ftp.netcom.com/~ftp/pub/ch/chrome -- Go 'Pods * ********************************************************
June 19, 1995
From: Don....@f16132.n666.z1.mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Wing Commander pre-orders
Date: 1995/06/18
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Preorders for Wing Commander are now available through most retailers and
distributors. The limited run will be very limited (600 cases decks, 600 cases
boosters) and they're already half gone. Order now or miss out!
New prices are: $7.95 per starter (6 Kilrathi, 6 Terran decks per display)
$2.65 per booster (36 boosters - mixed cards - per display)
The game will hit at GenCon, with Mark Hamill (who played Col. Christopher Blair
in WCIII) at the Mag Force 7 booth on Science Fiction Saturday.
Hope to see you there.
Don Perrin
Mag Force 7
July 31, 1995
From: Don....@f16132.n666.z1.mag7.com (Don Perrin) Subject: Need a game recommendation Date: 1995/07/31 Message-ID: <807195047.AA04985@mag7.fullfeed.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 107213125 distribution: world newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc x-ftn-to: All CAS> What is the best two-person trading card game other than CAS> Magic? Game play: Star of the Guardians by Mag Force 7. If you like a complex game play but simple rules, and the cards don't cost much. Art: Guardians by FPG. This game is stunning to look at. Collectibility: Star Trek by Decipher. They have good looking cards, and are well collectible, but their game has some cards that unbalance. Those are my three picks after Magic. Also, there's Wing Commander, that will be on the market at the end of August. It is built as a two player game, and plays with two different sides (one player has Terran Confederation cards and one player has Kilrathi Empire cards). It's based on the hottest CD-ROM game in history. See it at GenCon at the Mag Force 7 booth. If you're going to be there on Saturday, Mark Hamill will be there to autograph his own Wing Commander: Heart of the Tiger card. Don Perrin
August 4, 1995
From: Don....@f16132.n666.z1.mag7.com (Don Perrin) Subject: Wing Commander & Mark Hamill Date: 1995/08/03 Message-ID: <807450297.AA05028@mag7.fullfeed.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 107358395 distribution: world newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc x-ftn-to: All Mag Force 7, Inc. will be releasing the Wing Commander Collectible Trading Card Game. Based on the world's best-selling CD-ROM title, the Wing Commander CTCG provides all of the action of the computer title, but without the need for the computer! Play either the Kilrathi Empire Wing Commander, launching your fighters from the Sivar's Glory, or play the TCS Victory's Wing Commander. Decks will be sold as either Terran Confederation or Kilrathi Empire, and booster packs will contain a mix of each. Mark Hamill, the star of Wing Commander III - Heart of the Tiger, will be at the Mag Force 7 booth at GenCon on August 12. He'll be signing his own promo card for the Wing Commander CTCG - only 10,000 were printed. Drop by the booth, learn to play the game, and meet Mark Hamill. Come and see us at GenCon! Don Perrin Mag Force 7, Inc.
August 19, 1995
From: Don....@f16132.n666.z1.mag7.com (Don Perrin) Subject: GenCon Wing Commander Report Date: 1995/08/19 Message-ID: <808826284.AA05085@mag7.fullfeed.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 108455459 distribution: world newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc x-ftn-to: All GenCon was a great success for us at Mag Force 7. We launched the Wing Commander Collectible Trading Card Game, based on the ORIGIN Systems CD-ROM game. Mark Hamill was our guest for Science Fiction Saturday, and signed many a "Colonel Christopher Blair" con card (as well as a Star Wars picture or two :) We had four tables for demos and were able to keep eight games running near constantly. We actually moved more cases of the product than many of our major distributors ordered, and all in four days! We bought the absolute best 12 point playing card stock, and enhanced the art with artists like Bob Eggleton (Hugo winner), Barclay Shaw, Bill Hodgson, and Alan Gutierrez. The cards just shipped to the distributors last Wednesday, so it should hit the shelves sometime next week. We're always interested in comments and critiques. Please post them here in rec.games.trading-cards.misc. Don Perrin Mag Force 7
August 29, 1995
From: Don....@f16132.n666.z1.mag7.com (Don Perrin) Subject: Wing Commander - Terran imballance? Date: 1995/08/29 Message-ID: <809715788.AA05234@mag7.fullfeed.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 109125282 distribution: world newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc x-ftn-to: Skeksis S> My friend and I were looking over my starter sets of Wing S> Commander and we very quickly came to the conclusion by S> comparing ship stats that the humans are at a serious S> disadvantage. We think the problem is that they are paying S> too much in muster cost for mediocre to inferior ships. S> Does any one have any comments on this? I haven't seen an imbalance in the game because of the stats yet. We've played many, many games now, and haven't seen this. The difference is that the Terrans get cheap, common pilots and pilot awards. You should find that this balances the difference between the two quite quickly. I'd like to see what the community thinks on this one. Don Perrin Mag Force 7
September 1, 1995
From: mweis@mag7.com (Margaret Weis) Subject: Re: Wing Commander: Don, I have a question.. Date: 1995/09/01 Message-ID: <mweis-0109951409350001@156.46.193.24>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 109275819 references: <4257de$e50@milo.mcs.anl.gov> organization: Mag Force 7 newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc In article <4257de$e50@milo.mcs.anl.gov>, The Pharaoh <yahnke@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote: > Hi Don, I have a question about the Stealth Technology card. The ones > I have (for the Kilrathi) cost 3 Power and give a +2 to Defense. This > is the same as Improved Shield which only costs 1 Power. Is there a > misprint here?? If so, what benefits should the Stealth Technology > give you? Yes, that's a misprint. We dopey's at Mag Force 7 boobed this one up. Our current fix for that is to make it like the torpedo mount card. It can be mounted on a fighter, but not take up the weapon slot. Thus, you could add another weapon as well. I think that's how we're going to make it for the second printing. Don. -- Mag Force 7 Secondary Site (For Now)
September 8, 1995
From: chrome@netcom.com (Chrome Sync) Subject: Re: Wing Commander CCG -- Any comments? Date: 1995/09/08 Message-ID: <chromeDEL9pr.53A@netcom.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 109683237 sender: chrome@netcom21.netcom.com references: <42nq0k$lm6@usenet1.interramp.com> <42nssm$s0u@newsbf02.news.aol.com> organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc And you'll be happy to know a FAQ/Rulings file is in the works. look for it around 9/20 ... hopefully sooner! Best, -CS ********************************************** * Chrome Sync -- Mag Force 7 Internet NetRep * * FTP at ftp.netcom.com/~ftp/pub/ch/chrome/ * * Rabid Game Player and Designer since 1977 * * Asst. NorthWest Regional Storyteller [Cam] * **********************************************
From: chrome@netcom.com (Chrome Sync) Subject: Re: Wing Commander: The Ready Area Date: 1995/09/08 Message-ID: <chromeDEL9tn.5B9@netcom.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 109683238 sender: chrome@netcom21.netcom.com references: <NEWTNews.810514279.1553.desaul@padpc1.hv-2> organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc Peter A. Desaulniers (des...@xsoft.xerox.com) wrote: : I have read the rules and I am still confused about access to and from the : Ready Area. : 1.) When moving OUT of the ready area do you always have to first move to the : Carrier NAV point? Does that take one turn? Yes and yes. : 2.) When returning to the ready area as standard movement (as opposed to after : combat or from playing a maneuver card), do you have to move from NAV point to : NAV point through the Carrier NAV point, one point per turn? Yes. : I assume from the rules, that after surviving an attack (as the attacker) you : are allowed to go directly to the ready area. Correct again! You *do* understand it. :) : Thanks. : -- Peter Best, -CS ********************************************** * Chrome Sync -- Mag Force 7 Internet NetRep * * FTP at ftp.netcom.com/~ftp/pub/ch/chrome/ * * Rabid Game Player and Designer since 1977 * * Asst. NorthWest Regional Storyteller [Cam] * **********************************************
September 12, 1995
From: chrome@netcom.com (Chrome Sync)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander CCG -- Any comments?
Date: 1995/09/12
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Erik Waddell (ewad...@chat.carleton.ca) wrote:
: The only question I have is concerning the combat system. I'm just a
: tad confused as to whether when 2 flights meet 2 enemy flights at a
: navpoint, are 2 separate one-on-one battles resolved, or just one big
: 2-on-2 battle?
A B
* * * * *
C D
It's kinda one big battle. Once all is said and done (manuevers and battle
damage), A cab use its attack against C, or add its support value to B's
attack value against D. Perhaps C uses its attack value on A, and D uses
its attack value one B.
Make sense?
Best,
-CS
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September 14, 1995
From: mweis@mag7.com (Margaret Weis) Subject: Re: Wing Commander: Don, I have a question.. Date: 1995/09/14 Message-ID: <mweis-1409951700290001@156.46.193.22>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 110093634 references: <mweis-0109951409350001@156.46.193.24> <436qtc$hlg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> organization: Mag Force 7 newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc In article <436qtc$h...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, smit...@aol.com (Smitty BF) wrote: > 1. Does all movement take place before combat? We had a game where the > Kilrathi player positioned a set of two flights each at the Nav Points > flanking the Carrier. The first group went in and destroyed the fighters > guarding the carrier, then they went home. On the same turn, the other > group then attacked the now defenseless carrier and destroyed it. Is this > legal? Nope! All movement must be completed before combat starts! > 2. Can a Paktahn, Thunderbolt or Longbow mount a Weapon System card in > addition to a Torpedo? No. Only one weapon card can be placed on a fighter. We're thinking of making the "Stealth Technology" weapon break this rule, so that two weapons could be carried. > 3. If a fighter is destroyed, but both players play a "Capture > Pilot/Recover Pilot" card, who gets the pilot? If the owner of the pilot recovers the pilot and the opponent captures the pilot, then the pilot is captured. You can't capture your own pilot, and you can't recover a captured pilot. I hope that makes sense! > 4. Are you going to do expansions based on Wing Commander 4 or any of the > other Wing Commander games? We're seriously looking into that now. I've just received a bunch of stuff from Origin Systems on Wing 4 (hehehehehe - no, I can't tell you - I'm sworn to secrecy) I think that it would be a good idea. We'll have to sell lots and lots of WC-CCG before that happens, though. Cheers! Don Perrin Mag Force 7 -- Mag Force 7 Secondary Site (For Now)
September 19, 1995
From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin) Subject: Wing Commander Boxes Date: 1995/09/19 Message-ID: <dperrin-1909951503100001@156.46.193.21>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 110357146 organization: Mag Force 7 newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.marketplace We are selling Wing Commander Booster and Starter boxes for $90 each (COD in US). Many people have found that retailers in their area do not have these cards, but they still want them. Please email me at dperrin@wise-net.com if you are interested. Don Perrin -- Mag Force 7 Secondary Site (For Now)
September 20, 1995
From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin) Subject: Re: Wing Commander CCG -- Any comments? Date: 1995/09/20 Message-ID: <dperrin-2009950936390001@156.46.193.27>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 110423596 references: <42nq0k$lm6@usenet1.interramp.com> <42nssm$s0u@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <chromeDEL9pr.53A@netcom.com> <434v71$jah@news.halcyon.com> <chromeDF3D74.1As@netcom.com> <DF5ooy.A6E@cunews.carleton.ca> <dperrin-1909951451450001@156.46.193.21> <43nqf9$8dh@milo.mcs.anl.gov> organization: Mag Force 7 newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc In article <43nqf9$8...@milo.mcs.anl.gov>, The Pharaoh <Cliff_...@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote: > One thing we've found since playing a lot is that some of the luck cards > should be restricted to one/deck, however, the majority of them don't > need to be restricted. For example, a bunch of Malfunction cards would > really screw someone who depended on weapons, but they would be of > marginal use against someone who uses manuevers. I have no problem if > someone wants to put a bunch of these in their deck. Now the Well- > Placed Hit, that's another matter... Hi Cliff; We weren't sure which of the luck cards would break the game if you had too many of them, but we knew it would be the luck cards that would break the game, given the chance. We went with one of any one luck card just to make sure that the game would be balanced, and that future expansions would not come in and bust up the party. We also felt that the luck cards are just that, luck, so we don't want people making decks built around specific lucks. It should be all of the rest of the cards that decks are built around. Loved your "It's gotta be the pilots" deck. I think I'll try that with a Kilrathi deck, and see if I can get away with it. We're starting a league here in Lake Geneva very soon (Sep 27), so I'm going to put this one together as my Kilrathi deck. I still like the "Moneybags" deck (Tolwyn, Transports and cheap fighters) for the Terrans. Thanks for the idea on the Stealth Technology. We don't want to do it that way, because the Strakha is supposed to be a Stealth Fighter, but we don't play it that way. We just incorporated a big defense into it. My thoughts, anyway. Cheers! Don. -- Mag Force 7 Secondary Site (For Now)
September 21, 1995
From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander decks
Date: 1995/09/21
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In article <43qjmt$h...@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov>, Cliff Yahnke
<Yah...@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote:
> The Luck cards are definitely a must (Well-Placed Hit, Mr. Kat,
> Malfunction, Summons from Kilrah, etc.). Even though you can only play
> one of each in your deck, you can save them for that sneaky moment in the
> middle of combat.
I find that this is very true. Sivar's Blessing (Kilrathi Mr. Kat) is the
most critical for me, as I am currently playing a Kilrathi bomber attack
(sink the carrier) deck. I need to pull off a torpedo hit against my enemy
early, and can't afford for my torpedo to malfunction.
Last night I tried a terran Woman's Corps deck. It worked rather well,
considering that the theme gives you pilots and crew with no common combat
ability thread. I may keep that one.
Don.
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From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: WCDR: All singles available!
Date: 1995/09/21
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We have all of the Wing Commander Collectible Trading Card Game singles
available. All rares are $3.00, all uncommons are $1.00 and all commons
are $.25, with the following exceptions:
Mr. Kat Terran Luck $2.00
Wing Commander Terran Pilot $4.00
Maniac Terran Pilot $4.00
Dreadnaught Kilrathi Mod $3.50
Email me at dperrin@mag7.com if interested. Shipping in the US is
included. We'll negotiate for overseas shipping.
Don Perrin
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September 22, 1995
From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander: Rules Question for Don..
Date: 1995/09/22
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In article <43tmtd$b...@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov>, Cliff Yahnke
<Cliff_...@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote:
> 1) Is the Kilrathi transport correct as written (i.e. the Kilrathi
> player loses 1 Power Point if it is destroyed)? The reason I ask
> is that the Terran player loses 3 Power Points if he loses a
> transport.
No, the card is correct. It's a balancing factor with the Terran
overbalance in pilots.
> 2) Is there any timing or sequence of events with respect to how cards
> are played in combat? For example, my opponent plays a manuever to
> remove the modifier from a Nav Point, can I respond with a Luck card
> (e.g. Well-Placed Hit) which takes advantage of the Nav Point
> modifier BEFORE it is removed? My intuition says NO since the
> players take turns playing cards, defender first.
The luck cards are played out of sequence. Combat Resolution, however,
happens after the maneuver phase. Thus, if you played a Well-Placed Hit,
and then I got rid of the modifier card, then when it came to Combat
Resolution, the modifier would not count in the calculations.
I hope that this helps!
Don Perrin
Mag Force 7
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From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander: A few comments..
Date: 1995/09/22
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In article <43tgae$a...@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov>, Cliff Yahnke
<Cliff_...@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote:
> Well, those are my thoughts... Do you guys plan on doing some expansions
> for this game? If so, do you have a timetable yet??
Thanks, Cliff. We do plan to do expansions for the game, but we're waiting
until Christmas to see what the market response will be. So far, retailers
have been extatic over the game, but distributors are not as excited. If
you're a retailer and want the product, you've got to hammer at your
distributor until he carries it (unless you deal with the larger
distributors - they're no problem).
No timetable yet, but with luck, soon.
Cheers!
Don Perrin
Mag Force 7
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From: chrome@netcom.com (Chrome Sync) Subject: Re: Wing Commander: A few comments.. Date: 1995/09/22 Message-ID: <chromeDFBpHo.Hws@netcom.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 110537102 sender: chrome@netcom9.netcom.com references: <43tgae$ajc@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov> organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc Cliff Yahnke (Cliff_...@qmgate.anl.gov) wrote: : Don (and anyone else who's reading): Ooh, ooh, I am. :) : 4) Do more Modifier cards. These are cool and really emphasize the : importance of fighting for a given Nav Point. A good idea; there are plenty of ideas Star fo the Guardians used for lane modifiers, for example ... : 5) Do more Weapons which do more than simply modify a fighter's values. : A weapon which gives you "first strike" (representing standoff : capability) or a superior manuevering system which prevents you from : being attacked if your opponent's manuever is below a certain value. : In short, you can have a world of fun with the equipment for this : game. Very nice expansion options ... also perhaps weapons that can be paired together (breaking the one weapon system limit). : 6) Develop some cards which help the manuever decks get more cards into : their hands. Generally, these decks run out of gas since they need : to use several (3-4) cards/combat just to keep even with the bruiser : fighter deck. Perhaps a Crew member who increases hand size? Maybe a Luck card allowing you to draw extra cards? : 7) Different races with their own different feel/style would (again) : dramatically increase the diversity of the game. I've never played : the computer game, so I don't know if any other races even exist, : but on the chance they do, let's see them! It might start to parallel SFB ... and that's not necessarily bad, in this instance ... : Well, those are my thoughts... Do you guys plan on doing some expansions : for this game? If so, do you have a timetable yet?? Thanks for the input. Don, do we have an expansion schedule? Best, -CS ********************************************** * Chrome Sync -- Mag Force 7 Internet NetRep * * FTP at ftp.netcom.com/~ftp/pub/ch/chrome/ * * Rabid Game Player and Designer since 1977 * * Asst. NorthWest Regional Storyteller [Cam] * **********************************************
September 24, 1995
From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander: Rules Question for Don..
Date: 1995/09/24
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> You are not required to engage enemy fighters at a Nav Point (including
> the carrier, I think) which leads to some "stalling" tactics when playing
> the game. I have a couple of nasty fighters ready to blow your carrier
> out of existence. Unfortunately (for you), you don't have anything to
> really stop me, so you put out one Arrow (or Darket) on your turn
> (and refuse to attack) which prevents me from attacking the carrier on my
> turn.
>
> While this process isn't bad once or twice, after several turns, it
> starts to drag out the game preventing it's seemingly normal conclusion.
> There needs to be something which prevents this long term "tactic"
> because this increase in length does nothing to increase the play value
> of the game. We've begun using a house rule which requires everyone to
> attack if you are in a carrier Nav Point (only). Another solution we
> pondered was that you can't collect Reinforcements if there are enemy
> fighters at your carrier Nav Point.
Yes, it can be a problem. I'm not certain what the answer is. If you
restrict the opponent's ability to react by not letting him launch, then I
think that's too devestating. If you allow the attack the same turn that
you shoot down the fighters, then the attacker is to devestating. I like
the idea that you get no new muster points if you have enemy fighters at
your Carrier Nav Point. Try that out, and see if it works.
Cheers!
Don Perrin
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From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander:Some Questions fer Don
Date: 1995/09/24
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In article <4400ho$b...@warp.cris.com>, ima...@cris.com (Ivory Tower) wrote:
> 1)What happens when you run out of cards in your draw pile?
You play with what you have already in play. All you do is skip the draw
phase. If the game cannot be won by either player at that point, it is a
draw.
> 2)Why are Kilrathi Torps only loadable on the Paktahn and not the Vaktoth?
> They both have bomb stats.
The Origin Systems source materials indicated that the Vaktoth was a heavy
fighter and not capable of carrying a torpedo (without a special mount).
The TBolt can according to their stats. We just wanted to ensure accuracy
to their material.
> 3)What's the point behind duplicate carrier's? I have a friend with
> three Sivar's Glory cards! The other two came from boosters. Were these
> meant to be other cards?
No, the carriers are intentional. To ensure that you get one, we had to
seed the mix rather heavily (one of every six nav points is a carrier
card). In the boosters, you get a nav point card. This way, if a store is
out of starters, you could buy a bunch of boosters and get enough nav
points and carriers to play.
> 4)How many cards are there in the whole set? And could you posy a list
> of them?
Sure. I'll post a list.
> 5)In a message I had sent to you before asking about torps you said the torp
> dropped that fighter's bomb stat to 0 and the torp did the hit on the carrier
> then the stat went back to whatever it was and then that was used for attack
> on the carrier. Now my question was is that all done in the same combat round
> or would it be one round for the and then your next turn when you attack you
> finish his off? (boy that was long and drawn out wasn't it?)
The bomb factor would go up for the next combat, not the one in which the
torpedo is used.
Hope that these helped. The next message will be a card list for those who
would like it.
Don Perrin
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September 26, 1995
From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander: Rules Question for Don..
Date: 1995/09/26
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In article <449bns$6...@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov>, Cliff Yahnke
<Cliff_...@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote:
> You missed my point. I am NOT saying that on a given turn, the attacker
> should be able to destroy the fighters at the Nav Point and then attack
> the carrier on the same turn. I AM referring to the fact that the
> defender can launch a fighter onto his carrier Nav Point (on his turn)
> AND not attack, effectively preventing the attacker from attacking it ON
> his (the attacker's) next turn.
This I like. If there are enemy fighters at your carrier nav point and you
have fighters at your carrier nav point, you must declare an attack at the
nav point, or have vacated it (either back to the carrier or on to another
nav point). If there are fighters of both sides there, a fight must occur.
I'd say that's a good rule clarification. It certainly would reduce the
sitting around in the situation you described.
Don Perrin
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September 28, 1995
From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander stuff for Don
Date: 1995/09/28
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In article
<Pine.A32.3.91.950...@black.weeg.uiowa.edu>, David
Merchan <dmer...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:
Cool ideas for an expansion, thanks!
> If you have a nav point with 2 of your fighters in it, and the enemy attacks
> you with 2 fighters can you:
>
> A) Split the attack into 1 on 1.
> or
> B) Fighters can only support each other as 1 attacks another.
When you have 2 fighters and your opponent has 2 fighters at a nav point,
there is one big battle. First, the defender may choose to switch his 2
fighters, so that they line up against different fighters, or he can leave
them in place. Next, the defender may play his first maneuver card, using
either of his fighters. Then, the offensive player is able to play one
maneuver, on either one of his fighters. This process continues until both
players have passed. Once that happens, you calculate damage, and declare
which fighters are attacking and which fighters are supporting.
Does that help?
Cheers!
Don Perrin
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September 29, 1995
From: dperrin@wise-net.com (Don Perrin) Subject: Re: Wing Commander CCG: Don could you please... Date: 1995/08/29 Message-ID: <dperrin-2908951850200001@156.46.193.19>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 109048716 references: <41t0d3$ek3@milo.mcs.anl.gov> organization: Mag Force 7 newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc In article <41t0d3$e...@milo.mcs.anl.gov>, The Pharaoh <yahnke@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote: > Hi Don, I bought some WC cards at Gen Con and have found the game to > be somewhat enjoyable and I'm debating on whether to buy more cards > or not. Since I have only 4 starters and 12 boosters, I haven't seen > a lot of the cards in the set. As a result, I'm not quite certain > what deckbuilding strategies one can employ. Could you please describe > say 5 or so different deck themes you could use in construction. If > you could also highlight some of the main cards in each deck, that > would be helpful. Hi! Sure I can go over some of the theme decks bashing each other here at Mag Force 7. The Rachel and her Toys Deck: Rachel Coriolis (or Nickodameus on the fur side) provides one medal point to a flight with a weapon card. Every fighter that launches has a weapon. Pilots are optional. I send lots of torpedo carrying TBolts out and try to go after the carrier directly. Four Arrows for your Carrier Deck: This one uses lots and lots of torpedo mounts, torpedos, a bizillion maneuvers and, of course, Arrows. You fly out there with a mit full of maneuvers and knock down heavier fighters (you have a far better maneuver rating than their slower stuff) and then swarm the carrier for two hits. This one's worked twice out of four games, so I may have to beef up my battle damage cards. They have the psychological effect that players seem to need to take the fighter home to fix it. While they're home, I'm doing torp runs on the carrier! Basic Plodding Doom Deck: I use this one when I play Jeff Grubb and I'm playing Kilrathi. I play lots of Vaktoths and Strak'has, lots of attack weapon systems, and very few maneuvers. I try to use as many medal producers as possible. Out they go, and just shoot everything in sight. Moneybags Deck: This is the deck that Jeff uses against me when he plays Terran (and I must admit, it works better than my basic plodding doom deck). He uses a few heavy fighters, lots of mediums, Transports and Admiral Tolwyn. He may spend two in a turn, but he just went up four. He uses lots of expensive luck cards to pound me into salt. Space Control Deck: Either side can do this one (although I haven't tried it yet). Lots of little fighters and lots of Nav Point Modifiers (the ships). You go out, grab space, and hold it against big odds. You can go either for your opponent's points or his carrier with this one. Like I say, I haven't tried this (hey, something to do tonight). I hope that this helps. Let me know any ideas you guys have come up with. Don Perrin Mag Force 7 -- Mag Force 7 Secondary Site (For Now)
November 9, 1995
From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: [WING] Multiplayer Variants Wanted
Date: 1995/11/09
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We are looking for any multiplayer variants for Wing Commander that we can
publish in an article in one of the major game magazines. We'd like the
variants to be well tested, and well described. Please include a diagram
with your submission.
The variants published will give credit to their authors, and each
selected variant author will be sent 2 Wing Commander decks and 6 Wing
Commander boosters for their efforts. Send them to dperrin@mag7.com, or if
you find that you can't seem to get through, to dperrin@wise-net.com.
I would encourage those of you who submit variants to post them in the
newsgroup, just to shake out the bugs. It will also prevent me from
getting multiples of the same variant.
The deadline for submissions is 0900 CST 17 Nov 95.
Thanks, and good hunting!
Don Perrin
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From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: [WING] Multiplayer Variants Wanted
Date: 1995/11/13
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In article <483754$j...@agate.berkeley.edu>, gha...@uclink.berkeley.edu
(Garry Handelman) wrote:
> This is one I actually got working. People have been complaining
> that you don't get quite enough power, but I think that the game needs to
> be a little power tighter (two player works better if you start at 20, imo).
>
> Play it just like normal, but arrange your playboard in such a
> fashion that every player has three nav points between them and each
> other player. Example, four player:
> C C
> N N N
> N N N
> N N N
> C C
This one looks really good. We'll try it out on Wednesday and if we like
it (and I think that we will), we'll use it in the article.
Thanks for posting it!
Don Perrin
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November 15, 1995
From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: [WING] Multiplayer Variants Wanted
Date: 1995/11/15
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In article <48ao04$8...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, smit...@aol.com (Smitty
BF) wrote:
> I would also be interested in seeing any Solitaire Variants.
I understand that someone out there has a solitaire variant, but I haven't
seen it personally, and thus haven't tried it. Anyone out there have one?
Don.
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December 29, 1995
From: chrome@netcom.com (Chrome Sync) Subject: Re: CCG Personal Rankings Date: 1995/12/29 Message-ID: <chromeDKCr17.F1y@netcom.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 123180365 sender: chrome@netcom21.netcom.com references: <drkhoeDKAKxG.71I@netcom.com> <chromeDKAxsL.M8p@netcom.com> <4buhv9$743@agate.berkeley.edu> followup-to: rec.games.trading-cards.misc,rec.games.trading-cards.magic.misc,rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc,rec.games.trading-cards.magic.misc,rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad Garry Handelman (gha...@uclink.berkeley.edu) wrote: : Well, yeah, but there is no combat in Star Trek- everyone's the : federation and no one can attack. Tell that to my Klingon deck; can attack anyone (other Klingons even!) and it *eats* most Fed decks. I eliminate the other player's outpost(s) and ships ASAP, then finish missions -- often before they complete their second or third. :) : If I were you guys, I'd stick to Wing Commander, which is a fine : game, and not at all boring. While I like the mechanics better, I'm still more attached to Star of the Guardians. I think it's the inspiring universe [I prefer Margaret's world to Origin's]. Of course, I play both more then ST:CCG ... Best, -CS *-------------------------------------------------------------* | Mag Force 7 InterNetRep * Shadowfist Stunt Team Coordinator | | Gaming Geek since 1977 * ftp.netcom.com/~ftp/pub/ch/chrome/ | *-------------------------------------------------------------*
January 9, 1996
From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: CCG Personal Rankings
Date: 1996/01/09
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emp...@success.net wrote:
> : My sarcasm detector just pinged.
> : I can't believe they went with their dead overhead shot shot for art
> : when they rereleased SOTG, but I take back my earlier comment about
> : Jyhad/VES card back switch, these guys changed the name of the game too!
The games may have a somewhat similar flavor, but Wing Commander and Star
of the Guardians are two different games. Star is about fleet action in
space, with some politics thrown in. Wing is a tactical aircraft carrier
duel, based on the best-selling CD-ROM game.
You may be surprised to hear it, but we still sell good quantities of Star
of the Guardians, and I get an aweful lot of questions on the game,
indicating that there is still interest out there. Wing Commander, of
course, is very popular, and I'd guess it will be even more so when Wing
Commander IV - The Price of Freedom CD-ROM game comes out.
Just my thoughts and ramblings :)
Don Perrin
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