Wing Commander Collectible Trading Card Game Usenet Posts

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The creators of the Wing Commander Collectible Trading Card Game made themselves available on the Usenet in 1995 and 1996 to promote the game and answer questions. Posts by Don Perrin and Chrome Sync are archived below, providing both rules clarifications and valuable context to the game's release history.

April 6, 1995

From: margaret.weis@mag7.fullfeed.com (Margaret Weis)
Subject: [Mag Force 7] Wing Commander
Date: 1995/04/06
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PRESS RELEASE

March 22, 1995

Margaret Weis, president of Mag Force 7, is proud to announce the acquisition of
a license to design, produce and distribute a collectible trading card game
based on the best-selling CD-ROM computer game WING COMMANDER III(r) Heart of
the Tiger from Origin Systems, Inc.

Designed by award-winning game designer Jeff Grubb and Don Perrin, the designer
of the innovative STAR OF THE GUARDIANS (tm) trading card game, the WING
COMMANDER Collectible Trading Card Game will offer the excitement and thrill of
space fighter combat in a collectible trading card format.

The computer game WING COMMANDER III cost over four and one-half million dollars
to produce, making it the most expensive and the most exciting computer game
ever created. Its cast of Hollywood stars include Mark Hamil, John Rhys-Davies,
and Malcolm McDowell. The card game will feature these stars with their own
cards--not as stills, but as photo-realistic paintings by some of the most
talented science fiction artists working in the field today! The card game will
be sold in a single-deck format, featuring Red Decks for the Kilrathi--the giant
cat-like aliens of the WING COMMANDER universe--and Blue Decks for humanity's
defenders, the Terran Confederacy.  Booster packs will contain a mix of both
Kilrathi Red and Terran Blue cards.

STATISTICS
WING COMMANDER Collectible Trading Card Game

Designers: Jeff Grubb and Don Perrin
Projected Release Date: August 15, 1995
Limited Edition Print Run: Twelve million
Number of Cards in Limited Edition Set: 300
Display Box Decks: 6 Red Decks (Kilrathi) and 6 Blue Decks (Terran 
          Confederacy)
Display Box Boosters: 36 Boosters. (Each booster pack contains a mix of Red and
          Blue cards)
Suggested Retail Price: Deck  $8.95   Booster $2.95
ACCEPTING ADVANCE ORDERS NOW!
Order Cut-off date for Limited Edition: July 1, 1995
CARDS PRINTED IN THE U.S.A.

WING COMMANDER is a registered trademark of Origin Systems, Inc.
STAR OF THE GUARDIANS is a trademark of Mag Force 7, Inc.


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May 5, 1995

From: Don.Perrin@f16132.n666.z1.mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Wing Commander
Date: 1995/05/05
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On May 04 95, Koch Ronald Andrew wrote:

 KRA> From: rak321s@nic.smsu.edu (Koch Ronald Andrew)
 KRA> Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.misc
 KRA> Date: 4 May 1995 12:11:26 -0500

 KRA> Hey out there...I'm wondering if anybody out there knows 
 KRA> anything about the Wing Commander CCG I saw advertised 
 KRA> around here a while back.  I'm a huge fan of the entire WC 
 KRA> series, and if anybody has any info, it would be greatly
 KRA> appreciated. 

The Wing Commander collectable card game will be released in August of this
year. It will be published by Mag Force 7 (the makers of the Star of the
Guardians CCG) in agreement with Origin Systems, and be designed by myself and
Don Perrin (designer SotG). In creating this game we have tried to capture the
flavor and features of the Wing Commander III game, and as a result there will
be two different decks offered - one for the Terran Confederation, and the other
for the cat-like alien Kilrathi. Each deck will contain cards specifically for
that side, and they will have separate backs. The game itself captures the feel
of two dueling carriers, each launching their fighters to strike against the
other. You win by sinking your opponent's carrier, or reducing his ability to
carry on the battle to nil.
   
The game is currently in playtest in a number of areas across the country, and
we are receiving the first art pieces now (which look wonderful and are by a
number of excellent space artists, including Alan Guiterez and Barkley Shaw).
Its really shaping up to look like a cool game, and more information will be
available as we rocket towards our print date.

Hope this helps,


From: chrome@netcom.com (Chrome Sync)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander
Date: 1995/05/05
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Koch Ronald Andrew (rak321s@nic.smsu.edu) wrote:
: Hey out there...I'm wondering if anybody out there knows anything about the 
: Wing Commander CCG I saw advertised around here a while back.  I'm a huge
: fan of the entire WC series, and if anybody has any info, it would be greatly
: appreciated. 
: Please E-mail, since I don't read this too often. 
: Thanx in advance,

Wing Commander is currently in playtesting. It used a modified version
of the Lane-to-Lane system from Star of the Guardians. The game still
needs a few tweaks, but is very fun to play. While I personally haven't
played any of the WC computer games, everyone else in my group has,
and they're very happy with the adaptation. (Frankly, they're also
happy with the play, but I'm the perfectionist in the bunch!)

If I recall rightly, Wing Commander is set for an August 15th release.

Best,
-CS

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June 19, 1995

From: Don.Perrin@f16132.n666.z1.mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Wing Commander pre-orders
Date: 1995/06/18
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Preorders for Wing Commander are now available through most retailers and
distributors. The limited run will be very limited (600 cases decks, 600 cases
boosters) and they're already half gone. Order now or miss out!

New prices are: $7.95 per starter (6 Kilrathi, 6 Terran decks per display)
                $2.65 per booster (36 boosters - mixed cards - per display)

The game will hit at GenCon, with Mark Hamill (who played Col. Christopher Blair
in WCIII) at the Mag Force 7 booth on Science Fiction Saturday.

Hope to see you there.

Don Perrin
Mag Force 7

July 31, 1995

From: Don.Perrin@f16132.n666.z1.mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Need a game recommendation
Date: 1995/07/31
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 CAS> What is the best two-person trading card game other than 
 CAS> Magic?

Game play: Star of the Guardians by Mag Force 7. If you like a complex game play
but simple rules, and the cards don't cost much.

Art: Guardians by FPG. This game is stunning to look at.

Collectibility: Star Trek by Decipher. They have good looking cards, and are
well collectible, but their game has some cards that unbalance.

Those are my three picks after Magic. Also, there's Wing Commander, that will be
on the market at the end of August. It is built as a two player game, and plays
with two different sides (one player has Terran Confederation cards and one
player has Kilrathi Empire cards). It's based on the hottest CD-ROM game in
history. See it at GenCon at the Mag Force 7 booth. If you're going to be there
on Saturday, Mark Hamill will be there to autograph his own Wing Commander:
Heart of the Tiger card.

Don Perrin

August 4, 1995

From: Don.Perrin@f16132.n666.z1.mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Wing Commander & Mark Hamill
Date: 1995/08/03
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Mag Force 7, Inc. will be releasing the Wing Commander Collectible Trading Card
Game. Based on the world's best-selling CD-ROM title, the Wing Commander CTCG
provides all of the action of the computer title, but without the need for the
computer!

Play either the Kilrathi Empire Wing Commander, launching your fighters from the
Sivar's Glory, or play the TCS Victory's Wing Commander. Decks will be sold as
either Terran Confederation or Kilrathi Empire, and booster packs will contain a
mix of each.

Mark Hamill, the star of Wing Commander III - Heart of the Tiger, will be at the
Mag Force 7 booth at GenCon on August 12. He'll be signing his own promo card
for the Wing Commander CTCG - only 10,000 were printed. Drop by the booth, learn
to play the game, and meet Mark Hamill. 

Come and see us at GenCon!

Don Perrin
Mag Force 7, Inc.

August 19, 1995

From: Don.Perrin@f16132.n666.z1.mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: GenCon Wing Commander Report
Date: 1995/08/19
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GenCon was a great success for us at Mag Force 7. We launched the Wing Commander
Collectible Trading Card Game, based on the ORIGIN Systems CD-ROM game. Mark
Hamill was our guest for Science Fiction Saturday, and signed many a "Colonel
Christopher Blair" con card (as well as a Star Wars picture or two :)

We had four tables for demos and were able to keep eight games running near
constantly. We actually moved more cases of the product than many of our major
distributors ordered, and all in four days! We bought the absolute best 12 point
playing card stock, and enhanced the art with artists like Bob Eggleton (Hugo
winner), Barclay Shaw, Bill Hodgson, and Alan Gutierrez. 

The cards just shipped to the distributors last Wednesday, so it should hit the
shelves sometime next week. We're always interested in comments and critiques.
Please post them here in rec.games.trading-cards.misc.

Don Perrin
Mag Force 7

August 29, 1995

From: Don.Perrin@f16132.n666.z1.mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Wing Commander - Terran imballance?
Date: 1995/08/29
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 S> My friend and I were looking over my starter sets of Wing 
 S> Commander and we very quickly came to the conclusion by 
 S> comparing ship stats that the humans are at a serious 
 S> disadvantage.  We think the problem is that they are paying 
 S> too much in muster cost for mediocre to inferior ships.  
 S> Does any one have any comments on this?

I haven't seen an imbalance in the game because of the stats yet. We've played
many, many games now, and haven't seen this. The difference is that the Terrans
get cheap, common pilots and pilot awards. You should find that this balances
the difference between the two quite quickly.

I'd like to see what the community thinks on this one.

Don Perrin
Mag Force 7

September 1, 1995

From: mweis@mag7.com (Margaret Weis)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander:  Don, I have a question..
Date: 1995/09/01
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In article <4257de$e50@milo.mcs.anl.gov>, The Pharaoh
<yahnke@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote:

> Hi Don, I have a question about the Stealth Technology card.  The ones
> I have (for the Kilrathi) cost 3 Power and give a +2 to Defense.  This
> is the same as Improved Shield which only costs 1 Power.  Is there a
> misprint here??  If so, what benefits should the Stealth Technology
> give you?

Yes, that's a misprint. We dopey's at Mag Force 7 boobed this one up. Our
current fix for that is to make it like the torpedo mount card. It can be
mounted on a fighter, but not take up the weapon slot. Thus, you could add
another weapon as well.

I think that's how we're going to make it for the second printing.

Don.

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September 8, 1995

From: chrome@netcom.com (Chrome Sync)
Subject: Re: WC:CCG
Date: 1995/09/08
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Xris (Xris%bbs@wasatch.com) wrote:
: I have Wing Commander too...and I like it...I think that the playing space
: is too small and they need to broaden the game structure..so you don't just
: play to kill...
: Thats my thoughts...

It *is*, after all, a "wargame". But who knows what future expansions
could hold ... perhaps other ways to erode the other player's power
(the way Show trials, etc. do).

Best,
-CS

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From: chrome@netcom.com (Chrome Sync)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander CCG -- Any comments?
Date: 1995/09/08
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And you'll be happy to know a FAQ/Rulings file is in the works.
look for it around 9/20 ... hopefully sooner!

Best,
-CS

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From: chrome@netcom.com (Chrome Sync)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander: The Ready Area
Date: 1995/09/08
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Peter A. Desaulniers (desaul@xsoft.xerox.com) wrote:

: I have read the rules and I am still confused about access to and from the 
: Ready Area. 

: 1.) When moving OUT of the ready area do you always have to first move to the 
: Carrier NAV point?  Does that take one turn?

Yes and yes.

: 2.) When returning to the ready area as standard movement (as opposed to after

: combat or from playing a maneuver card), do you have to move from NAV point to 
: NAV point through the Carrier NAV point, one point per turn?

Yes.

: I assume from the rules, that after surviving an attack (as the attacker) you 
: are allowed to go directly to the ready area.

Correct again! You *do* understand it.  :)

: Thanks.

: -- Peter


Best,
-CS

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September 12, 1995

From: chrome@netcom.com (Chrome Sync)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander CCG -- Any comments?
Date: 1995/09/12
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Erik Waddell (ewaddell@chat.carleton.ca) wrote:

: The only question I have is concerning the combat system. I'm just a
: tad confused as to whether when 2 flights meet 2 enemy flights at a
: navpoint, are 2 separate one-on-one battles resolved, or just one big
: 2-on-2 battle?

    A   B
  * * * * *
    C   D

It's kinda one big battle. Once all is said and done (manuevers and battle
damage), A cab use its attack against C, or add its support value to B's
attack value against D. Perhaps C uses its attack value on A, and D uses
its attack value one B.

Make sense?

Best,
-CS

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September 14, 1995

From: mweis@mag7.com (Margaret Weis)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander:  Don, I have a question..
Date: 1995/09/14
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In article <436qtc$hlg@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, smittybf@aol.com (Smitty
BF) wrote:

> 1.  Does all movement take place before combat?  We had a game where the
> Kilrathi player positioned a set of two flights each at the Nav Points
> flanking the Carrier.  The first group went in and destroyed the fighters
> guarding the carrier, then they went home.  On the same turn, the other
> group then attacked the now defenseless carrier and destroyed it.  Is this
> legal?

Nope! All movement must be completed before combat starts!

> 2.  Can a Paktahn, Thunderbolt or Longbow mount a Weapon System card in
> addition to a Torpedo?

No. Only one weapon card can be placed on a fighter. We're thinking of
making the "Stealth Technology" weapon break this rule, so that two
weapons could be carried.

> 3.  If a fighter is destroyed, but both players play a "Capture
> Pilot/Recover Pilot" card, who gets the pilot?

If the owner of the pilot recovers the pilot and the opponent captures the
pilot, then the pilot is captured. You can't capture your own pilot, and
you can't recover a captured pilot. I hope that makes sense!

> 4.  Are you going to do expansions based on Wing Commander 4 or any of the
> other Wing Commander games?

We're seriously looking into that now. I've just received a bunch of stuff
from Origin Systems on Wing 4 (hehehehehe - no, I can't tell you - I'm
sworn to secrecy) I think that it would be a good idea. We'll have to sell
lots and lots of WC-CCG before that happens, though.

Cheers!

Don Perrin
Mag Force 7

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September 19, 1995

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Wing Commander Boxes
Date: 1995/09/19
Message-ID: <dperrin-1909951503100001@156.46.193.21>#1/1
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We are selling Wing Commander Booster and Starter boxes for $90 each (COD
in US). Many people have found that retailers in their area do not have
these cards, but they still want them.

Please email me at dperrin@wise-net.com if you are interested.

Don Perrin

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September 20, 1995

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander CCG -- Any comments?
Date: 1995/09/20
Message-ID: <dperrin-2009950936390001@156.46.193.27>#1/1
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In article <43nqf9$8dh@milo.mcs.anl.gov>, The Pharaoh
<Cliff_Yahnke@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote:


> One thing we've found since playing a lot is that some of the luck cards
> should be restricted to one/deck, however, the majority of them don't
> need to be restricted.  For example, a bunch of Malfunction cards would
> really screw someone who depended on weapons, but they would be of 
> marginal use against someone who uses manuevers.  I have no problem if
> someone wants to put a bunch of these in their deck.  Now the Well-
> Placed Hit, that's another matter...

Hi Cliff;

   We weren't sure which of the luck cards would break the game if you had
too many of them, but we knew it would be the luck cards that would break
the game, given the chance. We went with one of any one luck card just to
make sure that the game would be balanced, and that future expansions
would not come in and bust up the party. We also felt that the luck cards
are just that, luck, so we don't want people making decks built around
specific lucks. It should be all of the rest of the cards that decks are
built around.

Loved your "It's gotta be the pilots" deck. I think I'll try that with a
Kilrathi deck, and see if I can get away with it. We're starting a league
here in Lake Geneva very soon (Sep 27), so I'm going to put this one
together as my Kilrathi deck. I still like the "Moneybags" deck (Tolwyn,
Transports and cheap fighters) for the Terrans.

Thanks for the idea on the Stealth Technology. We don't want to do it that
way, because the Strakha is supposed to be a Stealth Fighter, but we don't
play it that way. We just incorporated a big defense into it. My thoughts,
anyway.

Cheers! 

Don.

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September 21, 1995

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander decks
Date: 1995/09/21
Message-ID: <dperrin-2109951023030001@156.46.193.15>#1/1
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In article <43qjmt$hc5@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov>, Cliff Yahnke
<Yahnke@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote:


> The Luck cards are definitely a must (Well-Placed Hit, Mr. Kat, 
> Malfunction, Summons from Kilrah, etc.).  Even though you can only play 
> one of each in your deck, you can save them for that sneaky moment in the
> middle of combat.

I find that this is very true. Sivar's Blessing (Kilrathi Mr. Kat) is the
most critical for me, as I am currently playing a Kilrathi bomber attack
(sink the carrier) deck. I need to pull off a torpedo hit against my enemy
early, and can't afford for my torpedo to malfunction. 

Last night I tried a terran Woman's Corps deck. It worked rather well,
considering that the theme gives you pilots and crew with no common combat
ability thread. I may keep that one.

Don.

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From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: WCDR: All singles available!
Date: 1995/09/21
Message-ID: <dperrin-2109951725480001@156.46.193.22>#1/1
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We have all of the Wing Commander Collectible Trading Card Game singles
available. All rares are $3.00, all uncommons are $1.00 and all commons
are $.25, with the following exceptions:

   Mr. Kat        Terran Luck       $2.00
   Wing Commander Terran Pilot      $4.00
   Maniac         Terran Pilot      $4.00
   Dreadnaught    Kilrathi Mod      $3.50

Email me at dperrin@mag7.com if interested. Shipping in the US is
included. We'll negotiate for overseas shipping.

Don Perrin

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September 22, 1995

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander:  Rules Question for Don..
Date: 1995/09/22
Message-ID: <dperrin-2209951032440001@156.46.193.22>#1/1
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In article <43tmtd$b93@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov>, Cliff Yahnke
<Cliff_Yahnke@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote:

>   1) Is the Kilrathi transport correct as written (i.e. the Kilrathi 
>      player loses 1 Power Point if it is destroyed)?  The reason I ask
>      is that the Terran player loses 3 Power Points if he loses a 
>      transport.

No, the card is correct. It's a balancing factor with the Terran
overbalance in pilots.

>   2) Is there any timing or sequence of events with respect to how cards
>      are played in combat?  For example, my opponent plays a manuever to
>      remove the modifier from a Nav Point, can I respond with a Luck card
>      (e.g. Well-Placed Hit) which takes advantage of the Nav Point 
>      modifier BEFORE it is removed?  My intuition says NO since the 
>      players take turns playing cards, defender first.

The luck cards are played out of sequence. Combat Resolution, however,
happens after the maneuver phase. Thus, if you played a Well-Placed Hit,
and then I got rid of the modifier card, then when it came to Combat
Resolution, the modifier would not count in the calculations.

I hope that this helps!

Don Perrin
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From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander:  A few comments..
Date: 1995/09/22
Message-ID: <dperrin-2209951027130001@156.46.193.22>#1/1
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In article <43tgae$ajc@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov>, Cliff Yahnke
<Cliff_Yahnke@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote:


> Well, those are my thoughts...  Do you guys plan on doing some expansions
> for this game?  If so, do you have a timetable yet??

Thanks, Cliff. We do plan to do expansions for the game, but we're waiting
until Christmas to see what the market response will be. So far, retailers
have been extatic over the game, but distributors are not as excited. If
you're a retailer and want the product, you've got to hammer at your
distributor until he carries it (unless you deal with the larger
distributors - they're no problem).

No timetable yet, but with luck, soon.

Cheers!

Don Perrin
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From: chrome@netcom.com (Chrome Sync)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander:  A few comments..
Date: 1995/09/22
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Cliff Yahnke (Cliff_Yahnke@qmgate.anl.gov) wrote:
: Don (and anyone else who's reading):

Ooh, ooh, I am.   :)

:   4) Do more Modifier cards.  These are cool and really emphasize the
:      importance of fighting for a given Nav Point.

A good idea; there are plenty of ideas Star fo the Guardians
used for lane modifiers, for example ...

:   5) Do more Weapons which do more than simply modify a fighter's values.
:      A weapon which gives you "first strike" (representing standoff
:      capability) or a superior manuevering system which prevents you from
:      being attacked if your opponent's manuever is below a certain value.
:      In short, you can have a world of fun with the equipment for this
:      game.

Very nice expansion options ... also perhaps weapons that can
be paired together (breaking the one weapon system limit).


:   6) Develop some cards which help the manuever decks get more cards into
:      their hands.  Generally, these decks run out of gas since they need
:      to use several (3-4) cards/combat just to keep even with the bruiser
:      fighter deck.

Perhaps a Crew member who increases hand size? Maybe a Luck card
allowing you to draw extra cards?

:   7) Different races with their own different feel/style would (again)
:      dramatically increase the diversity of the game.  I've never played
:      the computer game, so I don't know if any other races even exist,
:      but on the chance they do, let's see them!

It might start to parallel SFB ... and that's not necessarily bad,
in this instance ...

: Well, those are my thoughts...  Do you guys plan on doing some expansions
: for this game?  If so, do you have a timetable yet??

Thanks for the input. 
Don, do we have an expansion schedule?


Best,
-CS

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September 24, 1995

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander:  Rules Question for Don..
Date: 1995/09/24
Message-ID: <dperrin-2409951052130001@156.46.193.22>#1/1
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> You are not required to engage enemy fighters at a Nav Point (including 
> the carrier, I think) which leads to some "stalling" tactics when playing 
> the game.  I have a couple of nasty fighters ready to blow your carrier 
> out of existence.  Unfortunately (for you), you don't have anything to 
> really stop me, so you put out one Arrow (or Darket) on your turn 
> (and refuse to attack) which prevents me from attacking the carrier on my 
> turn.
> 
> While this process isn't bad once or twice, after several turns, it 
> starts to drag out the game preventing it's seemingly normal conclusion. 
> There needs to be something which prevents this long term "tactic" 
> because this increase in length does nothing to increase the play value 
> of the game.  We've begun using a house rule which requires everyone to 
> attack if you are in a carrier Nav Point (only).  Another solution we 
> pondered was that you can't collect Reinforcements if there are enemy 
> fighters at your carrier Nav Point.  

Yes, it can be a problem. I'm not certain what the answer is. If you
restrict the opponent's ability to react by not letting him launch, then I
think that's too devestating. If you allow the attack the same turn that
you shoot down the fighters, then the attacker is to devestating. I like
the idea that you get no new muster points if you have enemy fighters at
your Carrier Nav Point. Try that out, and see if it works. 

Cheers!

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From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander:Some Questions fer Don
Date: 1995/09/24
Message-ID: <dperrin-2409951058080001@156.46.193.22>#1/1
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In article <4400ho$b7u@warp.cris.com>, imanney@cris.com (Ivory Tower) wrote:

> 1)What happens when you run out of cards in your draw pile?

You play with what you have already in play. All you do is skip the draw
phase. If the game cannot be won by either player at that point, it is a
draw.

> 2)Why are Kilrathi Torps only loadable on the Paktahn and not the Vaktoth? 
> They both have bomb stats.

The Origin Systems source materials indicated that the Vaktoth was a heavy
fighter and not capable of carrying a torpedo (without a special mount).
The TBolt can according to their stats. We just wanted to ensure accuracy
to their material.

> 3)What's the point behind duplicate carrier's?  I have a friend with 
> three Sivar's Glory cards!  The other two came from boosters.  Were these 
> meant to be other cards?

No, the carriers are intentional. To ensure that you get one, we had to
seed the mix rather heavily (one of every six nav points is a carrier
card). In the boosters, you get a nav point card. This way, if a store is
out of starters, you could buy a bunch of boosters and get enough nav
points and carriers to play.
 
> 4)How many cards are there in the whole set?  And could you posy a list 
> of them?

Sure. I'll post a list.
 
> 5)In a message I had sent to you before asking about torps you said the torp 
> dropped that fighter's bomb stat to 0 and the torp did the hit on the carrier 
> then the stat went back to whatever it was and then that was used for attack 
> on the carrier. Now my question was is that all done in the same combat round 
> or would it be one round for the and then your next turn when you attack you 
> finish his off? (boy that was long and drawn out wasn't it?)

The bomb factor would go up for the next combat, not the one in which the
torpedo is used.

Hope that these helped. The next message will be a card list for those who
would like it.

Don Perrin
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September 25, 1995

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander, New Nav point setup
Date: 1995/09/24
Message-ID: <dperrin-2409951101240001@156.46.193.22>#1/1
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In article <4425l4$88p@Owl.nstn.ca>, wayners@fox.nstn.ca (Mark Richardson)
wrote:

> New Setup:
> 
> N = Nav Point
> /\ = the lines which fighters can move along
> 
> 
>                                 Carrier
>                                     /  \
>                                    N    N
>                                   /  \  / \
>                                  N    N    N    
>                                   \  / \  / 
>                                     N    N
>                                      \  /
>                                 Carrier
> 
> I have found that this setup allows for more thinking and strategy in
the game. Although the
> game is a bit more lengthly, it is much more enjoyable. Just Try it!


Excellent! We tried a variant of this during playtest. We enjoyed the
diversity, too, but it took too long. I'd say play it if you're a master
of the game and you're looking for a longer, more involved battle. 
Thanks, Mark, for posting this.

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September 26, 1995

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander:  Rules Question for Don..
Date: 1995/09/26
Message-ID: <dperrin-2609951648040001@156.46.193.30>#1/1
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In article <449bns$6jl@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov>, Cliff Yahnke
<Cliff_Yahnke@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote:

> You missed my point.  I am NOT saying that on a given turn, the attacker 
> should be able to destroy the fighters at the Nav Point and then attack 
> the carrier on the same turn.  I AM referring to the fact that the 
> defender can launch a fighter onto his carrier Nav Point (on his turn) 
> AND not attack, effectively preventing the attacker from attacking it ON 
> his (the attacker's) next turn.  

This I like. If there are enemy fighters at your carrier nav point and you
have fighters at your carrier nav point, you must declare an attack at the
nav point, or have vacated it (either back to the carrier or on to another
nav point). If there are fighters of both sides there, a fight must occur.

I'd say that's a good rule clarification. It certainly would reduce the
sitting around in the situation you described.

Don Perrin
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September 28, 1995

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander stuff for Don
Date: 1995/09/28
Message-ID: <dperrin-2809951720010001@156.46.193.29>#1/1
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In article
<Pine.A32.3.91.950928075146.62545B-100000@black.weeg.uiowa.edu>, David
Merchan <dmerchan@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:

Cool ideas for an expansion, thanks!

> If you have a nav point with 2 of your fighters in it, and the enemy attacks
> you with 2 fighters can you:
>  
> A) Split the attack into 1 on 1. 
> or 
> B) Fighters can only support each other as 1 attacks another.

When you have 2 fighters and your opponent has 2 fighters at a nav point,
there is one big battle. First, the defender may choose to switch his 2
fighters, so that they line up against different fighters, or he can leave
them in place. Next, the defender may play his first maneuver card, using
either of his fighters. Then, the offensive player is able to play one
maneuver, on either one of his fighters. This process continues until both
players have passed. Once that happens, you calculate damage, and declare
which fighters are attacking and which fighters are supporting.

Does that help?

Cheers!

Don Perrin
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September 30, 1995

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander, New Nav point setup
Date: 1995/09/30
Message-ID: <dperrin-3009951117590001@156.46.193.19>#1/1
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In article <lufy.034b@solnoid.xs4all.nl>, lufy@solnoid.xs4all.nl (Attacker
Lufy) wrote:

> Erik Waddell (ewad...@chat.carleton.ca) wrote:
> : I like the idea, but as it stands, the Kilrathi players has too much
> : of an advantage doesn't he? Kilrah moves first, so they get the first
> : grab at Nav points.
> : 
> : I do like the idea of the "Ace" bonus.. I think it could reflect
> : better communications and recon because of control over more of the
> : nav/jump points.  Still though, the Kilrathi player can really get an
> : advantage here, just because he get's to move first.
> 
> Then why not wait until the Terran player has moved, then count the nav
> points for the bonus ?

The fact that the Kilrathi move first means that they can capture the
center nav points first. It is easier to capture and hold a nav point than
it is to take a nav point that is defended. 

This, to me, is the main reason that this system will not work.

Don Perrin
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October 10, 1995

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: X-Wing vs. Wing Commander III???
Date: 1995/10/21
Message-ID: <dperrin-2110951102000001@156.46.193.28>#1/1
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In article <cheese-1510951136330001@net-1-160.austin.eden.com>,
cheese@eden.com (Bruce Burkhalter) wrote:

> Kevin, you should play WC3. ;)
> WC3 is fully texture mapped.  WC3 has real movie cut scenes with Mark
> Hamill.

Speaking of which, we produce a card game based on the Wing Commander III,
Heart of the Tiger game. We'd like to offer a free Mark Hamill, Colonel
Christopher Blair card to anyone who asks for one.

Send us your snail-mail address and we'll fire off a special promotional
card (only 10,000 printed) of Mark Hamill. 

We hope that you take us up on the offer.

Cheers!

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September 29, 1995

From: dperrin@wise-net.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander CCG:  Don could you please...
Date: 1995/08/29
Message-ID: <dperrin-2908951850200001@156.46.193.19>#1/1
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In article <41t0d3$ek3@milo.mcs.anl.gov>, The Pharaoh
<yahnke@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote:

> Hi Don, I bought some WC cards at Gen Con and have found the game to
> be somewhat enjoyable and I'm debating on whether to buy more cards
> or not.  Since I have only 4 starters and 12 boosters, I haven't seen
> a lot of the cards in the set.  As a result, I'm not quite certain 
> what deckbuilding strategies one can employ.  Could you please describe
> say 5 or so different deck themes you could use in construction.  If
> you could also highlight some of the main cards in each deck, that
> would be helpful.

Hi! Sure I can go over some of the theme decks bashing each other here at
Mag Force 7.

The Rachel and her Toys Deck: Rachel Coriolis (or Nickodameus on the fur
side) provides one medal point to a flight with a weapon card. Every
fighter that launches has a weapon. Pilots are optional. I send lots of
torpedo carrying TBolts out and try to go after the carrier directly.

Four Arrows for your Carrier Deck: This one uses lots and lots of torpedo
mounts, torpedos, a bizillion maneuvers and, of course, Arrows. You fly
out there with a mit full of maneuvers and knock down heavier fighters
(you have a far better maneuver rating than their slower stuff) and then
swarm the carrier for two hits. This one's worked twice out of four games,
so I may have to beef up my battle damage cards. They have the
psychological effect that players seem to need to take the fighter home to
fix it. While they're home, I'm doing torp runs on the carrier!

Basic Plodding Doom Deck: I use this one when I play Jeff Grubb and I'm
playing Kilrathi. I play lots of Vaktoths and Strak'has, lots of attack
weapon systems, and very few maneuvers. I try to use as many medal
producers as possible. Out they go, and just shoot everything in sight.

Moneybags Deck: This is the deck that Jeff uses against me when he plays
Terran (and I must admit, it works better than my basic plodding doom
deck). He uses a few heavy fighters, lots of mediums, Transports and
Admiral Tolwyn. He may spend two in a turn, but he just went up four. He
uses lots of expensive luck cards to pound me into salt.

Space Control Deck: Either side can do this one (although I haven't tried
it yet). Lots of little fighters and lots of Nav Point Modifiers (the
ships). You go out, grab space, and hold it against big odds. You can go
either for your opponent's points or his carrier with this one. Like I
say, I haven't tried this (hey, something to do tonight).

I hope that this helps. Let me know any ideas you guys have come up with.

Don Perrin
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From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: Insert/Promo Card List 29/9/95
Date: 1995/09/29
Message-ID: <dperrin-2909950913130001@156.46.193.13>#1/1
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In article <1995Sep29.090635.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>,
engjs@cc.newcastle.edu.au (James Smith) wrote:

> [I haven't posted this for a while. Sorry. It's a little dated, so any
> additions and corrections would be appreciated. --Jim]

Star of the Guardians:
   Marcus Modifier Card - Convention card giveaway. Only 10,000 printed.
Never reprinted. 
   Warlord Komodo Personality Card - Convention card giveaway. Only 10,000
printed. Never reprinted.

Wing Commander:
   Col. Christopher Blair, Heart of the Tiger Pilot Card - Convention card
giveaway. Only 10,000 printed. Never reprinted.
   Adm. Geoff Tolwyn Crew Card - Box giveaway in the upcoming Wing
Commander IV CD-ROM Game (December release). Only 10,000 printed. Never
reprinted.

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October 26, 1995

Complete post is missing.

In article <dperrin-2510951055100001@156.46.193.38> dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin) writes:
   Thanks for adding to my list of neat card ideas to add to the first
   expansion. We are well under way in the planning stages for a Wing
   expansion. No details yet, but I'm always interested in neat new card
   ideas.

November 6, 1995

From: chrome@netcom.com (Chrome Sync)
Subject: Re: [WING] Mission decks?
Date: 1995/11/06
Message-ID: <chromeDHn0w2.LpL@netcom.com>#1/1
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Paul John Gyugyi (pjg@tranquility.gyugyi.com) wrote:
: Has anyone come up with "canned" decks, similar to a Wing Commander
: mission?

The closest thing was a 'fun' game that allowed unlimited "Capture
Pilot" Luck cards. No Weapons allowed. See who could either capture
3 pilots, or who had more when the first deck ran out.

I think scenarios like these are a fun idea myself. Maybe you'll see
us "whip up" a few ...  :)

Best,
-CS

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November 7, 1995

From: dpe...@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: WC:  Don Perrin's E-mail address
Date: 1995/11/07
Message-ID: <dperrin-0711950959120001@156.46.193.30>#1/1
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In article <47lc2l$ka@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, smittybf@aol.com (Smitty BF)
wrote:

> Don, when I try to send you e-mail, I get a MAILER-DAEMON that says
> something like "Unrecoverable mail error for this address".  
> 
> I would like to take advantage of your Wing Commander Card offer.  Should
> I post my address here?

Yes, we're having problems with the world recognizing the mag7.com domain.
We hope to have it fixed shortly. You can send me mail at either
dperrin@wisenet.net or dperrin@wise-net.com and one of those will get
through. If all fails, send your address to chrome@netcom.com, or netrep,
and he'll pass it to me. We'll get that card out as soon as we get your
address.

Thanks for responding!

Don Perrin
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November 9, 1995

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: [WING] Multiplayer Variants Wanted
Date: 1995/11/09
Message-ID: <dperrin-0911951524510001@156.46.193.25>#1/1
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We are looking for any multiplayer variants for Wing Commander that we can
publish in an article in one of the major game magazines. We'd like the
variants to be well tested, and well described. Please include a diagram
with your submission.

The variants published will give credit to their authors, and each
selected variant author will be sent 2 Wing Commander decks and 6 Wing
Commander boosters for their efforts. Send them to dperrin@mag7.com, or if
you find that you can't seem to get through, to dperrin@wise-net.com.

I would encourage those of you who submit variants to post them in the
newsgroup, just to shake out the bugs. It will also prevent me from
getting multiples of the same variant.

The deadline for submissions is 0900 CST 17 Nov 95.

Thanks, and good hunting!

Don Perrin
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November 13, 1995

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: [WING] Multiplayer Variants Wanted
Date: 1995/11/13
Message-ID: <dperrin-1311951125140001@156.46.193.23>#1/1
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In article <483754$jh1@agate.berkeley.edu>, ghandel@uclink.berkeley.edu
(Garry Handelman) wrote:

>         This is one I actually got working. People have been complaining 
> that you don't get quite enough power, but I think that the game needs to 
> be a little power tighter (two player works better if you start at 20, imo).
> 
>         Play it just like normal, but arrange your playboard in such a 
> fashion that every player has three nav points between them and each 
> other player. Example, four player:
> C                               C
>         N       N       N
>         N       N       N
>         N       N       N
> C                               C

This one looks really good. We'll try it out on Wednesday and if we like
it (and I think that we will), we'll use it in the article.

Thanks for posting it!

Don Perrin
Mag Force 7

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November 15, 1995

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: [WING] Multiplayer Variants Wanted
Date: 1995/11/15
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In article <48ao04$8eg@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, smittybf@aol.com (Smitty
BF) wrote:

> I would also be interested in seeing any Solitaire Variants.

I understand that someone out there has a solitaire variant, but I haven't
seen it personally, and thus haven't tried it. Anyone out there have one?

Don.

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December 29, 1995

From: chrome@netcom.com (Chrome Sync)
Subject: Re: CCG Personal Rankings
Date: 1995/12/29
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Garry Handelman (ghandel@uclink.berkeley.edu) wrote:

: 	Well, yeah, but there is no combat in Star Trek- everyone's the 
: federation and no one can attack.

Tell that to my Klingon deck; can attack anyone (other Klingons even!)
and it *eats* most Fed decks. I eliminate the other player's outpost(s)
and ships ASAP, then finish missions -- often before they complete their
second or third.   :)

: 	If I were you guys, I'd stick to Wing Commander, which is a fine 
: game, and not at all boring.

While I like the mechanics better, I'm still more attached to Star of the
Guardians. I think it's the inspiring universe [I prefer Margaret's
world to Origin's]. Of course, I play both more then ST:CCG ...

Best,
-CS

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January 9, 1996

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: CCG Personal Rankings
Date: 1996/01/09
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emporer@success.net wrote:

> : My sarcasm detector just pinged.
> : I can't believe they went with their dead overhead shot shot for art
> : when they rereleased SOTG, but I take back my earlier comment about
> : Jyhad/VES card back switch, these guys changed the name of the game too!

The games may have a somewhat similar flavor, but Wing Commander and Star
of the Guardians are two different games. Star is about fleet action in
space, with some politics thrown in. Wing is a tactical aircraft carrier
duel, based on the best-selling CD-ROM game. 

You may be surprised to hear it, but we still sell good quantities of Star
of the Guardians, and I get an aweful lot of questions on the game,
indicating that there is still interest out there. Wing Commander, of
course, is very popular, and I'd guess it will be even more so when Wing
Commander IV - The Price of Freedom CD-ROM game comes out.

Just my thoughts and ramblings :)

Don Perrin
Mag Force 7

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February 7, 1996

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: WTB: Wing Commander Boosters
Date: 1996/02/11
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In article <jscDMH8Fu.4v@netcom.com>, jsc@netcom.com (Judson Cohan) wrote:

> Looking to byuy a few Wing Commander booster packs.  Anyone out there 
> know of a mail order place to get them?  Thanks.

If you can't get them elsewhere, I would suggest:

The Game Guild
752 West Main Street
Lake Geneva, WI 53147
(414) 249-0779

Ask for Burl Zorn, Manager.

Thanks for your interest!

Don Perrin
Mag Force 7

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February 11, 1996

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: What if SWCCG didn't involve SW?
Date: 1996/02/11
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In article <4ffjfq$pc8@athos.cc.bellcore.com>, dja1@iscp.bellcore.com
(Dave Arlington) wrote:

> If the SWCCG didn't involve Star Wars then it would be made by Mag Force 7
> and called Wing Commander. :)  (Just kidding, Don Perrin, I know the games
> are nothing alike, but take out Star Wars and it does look like a Mag Force
> 7 design). And of course it would sit on the shelf like Star of the Guardians
> and Star Quest:The Regency Wars (the latter NOT a Mag Force 7 game).

That's okay, Dave. For some unknown reason, Star of the Guardians has
begun to move again! We just got an order for more cases! I didn't think
anyone was still playing until I went to Winter Fantasy this past weekend.
We did very well with both Wing Commander and Star of the Guardians. I
didn't see anyone selling Star Wars. I suspect everyone was out!

We think that our games have solid engines behind them. They're fun to
play, and they're balanced. They play out of a starter deck, but play
better when tuned. Over the long run, I think we'll sell out. We're not
that far away with Star of the Guardians!!

Thanks for the interest, and the compliment (at least I *think* it was a
compliment!)

Cheers!

Don Perrin
Mag Force 7

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February 14, 1996

From: dperrin@mag7.com (Don Perrin)
Subject: Re: WTB: Wing Commander Boosters
Date: 1996/02/14
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In article <4folmm$e90@studio.origin.ea.com>, APM <amorris@origin.ea.com> wrote:

> If Chessex or Wargames West doesn't have any to sell via mail, 
> try Mag Force 7 directly.

Both of them have it, and they're better at mail order than we are at Mag
Force 7. I encourage you to use either one.

Cheers!

Don Perrin
Mag Force 7

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