Question on the Timeline

BassmanUW

Spaceman
I've viewed the timeline, and things from the WC movie are included on there. Is the WC Movie considered part of the real WC Universe? Wouldn't that be sort of like calling the X-Men movie a part of the real X-Men universe, or the Superman movies a part of the real Superman Universe? Or does the CIC officially just consider anything WC that was ever made part of the official timeline?
Bassman
 
Everything can be 'real' in the Wing Commander universe if you try hard enough. It's kind of like being Christian in that respect :) .

TC
 
The difference between Wing Commander and the other unverse thaat you have mentioned is that the different parts of the WC story (games, novels, tv series, movies,....) rarely contradict each other. Each WC part often adds depth, and sometimes a different view; to the rest of the story, thus making it fell even more real. This is why we say they all belong on the same timeline.
 
I did not like the stuff about Blair in the movie but if it can fit in the timeline.
By the way those were the WORST cats ever, what they were thinking?
 
Originally posted by Dragon
By the way those were the WORST cats ever, what they were thinking?
Those "worst cats ever", as you call them, are the closest Chris Roberts has come to his original vision for the Kilrathi.
 
I like the way the cats look in WC3 but I like the uniforms in WC I and II.
Cats have fur, the ones in the movie dont, Unless the last fashion in Kilrah is shaved Cats..
I dont like the way they look, did you?
 
Originally posted by Dragon
I like the way the cats look in WC3 but I like the uniforms in WC I and II.
Cats have fur, the ones in the movie dont, Unless the last fashion in Kilrah is shaved Cats..
The Kilrathi are discribed as cat-like, but that doesn't mean they have to have all the attributes of a feline.

My favorite aspect of the Kilrathi in WCIII is their speech...very cool.

Originally posted by Dragon
I dont like the way they look, did you?
Actually, I did. The appearance was not traditonal in the sense of matching the games, but I DID feel they were more threatening and vicious-looking.

Dralthi5, nobody quite knows exactly what Roberts' original vision was. He did say the movie was much closer than anything in the games, but even they weren't quite what he had in mind. And he definitely wanted more screen time for them.

[Edited by OriginalPhoenix on 01-19-2001 at 17:12]
 
I find the cats in WCIII to be the best in appearance and reality (if there is such a thing), as for the movie I don;t understand how that fit into the Timeline for several reasons, in WCI Blair was a newbie pilot brand new on board and meeting everybody for the first time, and yet he apparently had previously served with them all (if we listen to the movie). Also Blair would have already met Tolwyn (from WCATV), and Bossman was dead in the movie as well as knight dying but still they are there. Plus in WCI there were no Broadswords and the Rapiers were brand new fighters. The design of the Claw was totaly different in the movie than in the GAme. And Finally, Blair and Maniac are not supposed to be best-friends, look at how they act towards each other in WCIII, WCIV, and WCII.
 
Originally posted by Napoleon
in WCI Blair was a newbie pilot brand new on board and meeting everybody for the first time, and yet he apparently had previously served with them all (if we listen to the movie). Also Blair would have already met Tolwyn (from WCATV), and Bossman was dead in the movie as well as knight dying but still they are there.
Come on, does Blair saying "hi" for suposedly the first time in WC1 to his new fellow pilots messes up the whole universe? Those are valid points, but their meaning less. As for Bossman, yes he is already dead in the movie and that doesn't fit, but there's always something that won't quite fit, not matter at which WC product you look at. As for Knight, we're never actually told he's dies. He might have ejected at the last second.

Plus in WCI there were no Broadswords and the Rapiers were brand new fighters.
Come on, just because we don't see Broadswords in the game doesn't mean they didn't exist. For example, Hellcats, Arrows, Longbows, Sabres, and few other fighters were already present before WC1. As for the Rapiers, it's been said over and over that the movie Rapiers are different fighters, they just happen to have the same name.

The design of the Claw was totaly different in the movie than in the GAme.
Please, does that matter that much to you? Besides, don't you think that the WC1 Claw would look a little cartoonish in a new sci fi movie?


And Finally, Blair and Maniac are not supposed to be best-friends, look at how they act towards each other in WCIII, WCIV, and WCII.
Uh, no. Blair and Maniac were always friends, very competetive against each other, but friends.

Anyhow, in WC2 Maniac doesn't act in any way towards Blair, he isn't much of a friend, but isn't hostile either. In WC4 while not quite friendly you can see that they respect each other and aren't hostile. While Maniacs behavior in WC3 could be explained with frustration over Blair doing better in the Navy, as well as the terribly desperate times they were in.
 
Originally posted by Napoleon
I find the cats in WCIII to be the best in appearance and reality (if there is such a thing), as for the movie I don;t understand how that fit into the Timeline for several reasons...

I'd have to agree. For hard corps, long time, WC nuts, the movie Kilrathi were a total surprise, and in my opinion, not what the Kilrathi should be.

I did read earlier that the reason Chris Roberts changed the look of the Kilrathi was to make them more alien like to the non WC fan world.

As for myself and several other people I know, this compromise produced Kilrathi that we consider an embaressment to the series. Christ Roberts did say however that he wanted the movie Kilrathi to have cat like movements as well (which would have helped) but due to the limitations of technology and budget, he was not able to do so.
 
Umm... as I recall, Chris Roberts mentioned being rather unhappy with the cats, but there was neither time nor money to redo them.

Also Blair would have already met Tolwyn (from WCATV),
Yeah, he would have. And if you assume this is the case, then the Blair/Tolwyn scenes take on a whole new dimension. Just listen to the way he says "Blair"... you can just picture him adding "my old nemesis" after it :).

Besides, don't you think that the WC1 Claw would look a little cartoonish in a new sci fi movie?
Hmm... no. It would have looked excellent. But then they would have had to use the game designs for all the other ships as well, or else the 'Claw just wouldna fit in.
 
One thing that has been a little unclear to me with the Blair/Tolwyn thing is when Tolwyn started to hate Blair.

In WCATV Tolwyn seems actually quite fond of Blair, yet as time progesses down the line, Tolwyn starts to really hate Blair. I've got a couple of ideas which might of changed his view of Blair, but can anyone else shed some light on this subject?
 
Originally posted by Quarto

Hmm... no. It would have looked excellent. But then they would have had to use the game designs for all the other ships as well, or else the 'Claw just wouldna fit in.
Well, all I know is that I wouldn't want to see the WC1 Claw, and for that matter most of the WC1 ships in the movie. The Academy Claw would have worked though, IMO. It's still basicly the same look, but somehow better.

In WCATV Tolwyn seems actually quite fond of Blair, yet as time progesses down the line, Tolwyn starts to really hate Blair. I've got a couple of ideas which might of changed his view of Blair, but can anyone else shed some light on this subject?
It's basicly what happens at the begining of WC2. With the Claw destroyed, and Blair looking like the guy responisble for it, there weren't many reasons for a man like Tolwyn to liike him.:)
 
Well, I have to say when I was playing Starlancer there were times were I belive that I was playing the Wing Commander, the Movie game. I dont know if using the same design of the Tiger´s Claw would work, but that ship look like a cargo transport and the Tiger´s claw was not that old. using the ships on the WC I would have brought some trouble since they had to use the same ship module in the game and add a new skin, would it work, dont know and I never will unless they did some work on that and we could see it.
 
True, the Claw and WC1 fighters may seem a little old, but if Chris Roberts just took the basic design of of them and perhaps gave them some new skins and a newer futuristic look they could have easily used them in the movie.

Star Trek has been doing this for 30 years. The Enterprise in all this time is still essentially a saucer section with two warp drives.

I also have to agree that the WCATV Claw would have been pretty cool in the movie.

One Question though, why do the WC Movie Rapiers have guns i.e. projectile guns instead of energy weapons? One of the Movie criticisms from the public is that there "were not even any cool lasers." Roberts reason to use projectile weapons has always escaped me. Granted the weapons on the rapier could be a really big stormfire cannon, but it sure made for a strange looking ship.
 
Another question about the WCM for ya, has anyone noticed that the CapShips use missile/torpedos all the time yet they use Lasers in only two scenes (when the kilrathi cruiser and the claw are duking it out, and when the kilrathi fleet comes through the jump point and Tolwyn is waiting)
 
Originally posted by Dragon
I dont know if using the same design of the Tiger´s Claw would work, but that ship look like a cargo transport and the Tiger´s claw was not that old.
Actually, the Claw has been through a lot in her carer, so the "old" look was definetly neccessary.

One Question though, why do the WC Movie Rapiers have guns i.e. projectile guns instead of energy weapons? One of the Movie criticisms from the public is that there "were not even any cool lasers." Roberts reason to use projectile weapons has always escaped me. Granted the weapons on the rapier could be a really big stormfire cannon, but it sure made for a strange looking ship.
They weren't using projectile weapons. The nose cannon of the Rapier is a Neutron gun, and if the critics didn't see any "cool lasers" they need to get their eyes checked... One has to look only as far as the battle between the Claw and the dreadnought, or the cruiser towrds the end of the movie, to see those ships firing not only huge energy weapons, but tons of torps.
 
They "mixed" the timeline quite a bit. Skippers apeard in WC3, not earlier did they ? It's just to make the movie more attractive to the people who haven't played a wc game ever, otherwise they movie would be "dull" if it had the original wc plot (fly this mission, fly that mission, get promotion etc)
 
I believe that the Kilrathi had skipper missiles before they had cloaked fighters. They that would place the skippers in the same time frame as the Tiger's Claw. But don't quote me on that.
 
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