How do you put up with bombers?!

So it bypass the capship shields. I think it's silly for the UBW to have such powerful weapon... Only a confed class A torpedo bomber has such weapon. And some alien bombers and the d-ray.
 
so, the UBW lack the scientific minds to develop such a weapon, and such a weapon should be exclusive to confed and the bugs, and as such, the UBW should trust the security of their borders to confed. so why should the UBW even have a fleet?
 
Originally posted by Aries
so, the UBW lack the scientific minds to develop such a weapon, and such a weapon should be exclusive to confed and the bugs, and as such, the UBW should trust the security of their borders to confed. so why should the UBW even have a fleet?
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UBW lack the money and power to have such high-tech stuff. This is made clear by WCIV.
 
Originally posted by Delance
So it bypass the capship shields.
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Well, kind of. It´s a weird concept, actually. If the component is really shielded (displayed in blue) the Viper guns won´t be able to damage the component - and neither will torpedoes.

If you destroy the shield generators, the component (bridge, engine, etc.) will turn green on your HUD, and then only torps and the Viper cannons will be able to damage them.

Originally posted by Delance
UBW lack the money and power to have such high-tech stuff. This is made clear by WCIV.
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WCIV was ten years before, when the BW were still a part of the Confederation, which was draining all of BW resources and dumping garbage on them. Anyway, either Eder or Quarto *invented* that technology, I´m sure they have a good explanation to it. :)
 
Originally posted by Starkey
WCIV was ten years before, when the BW were still a part of the Confederation, which was draining all of BW resources and dumping garbage on them. Anyway, either Eder or Quarto *invented* that technology, I´m sure they have a good explanation to it. :)
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So you're saying that they not only had an economic recovery, but developed all the facilities they needed, and that they were able to go from 'dirt poor and improvising' to 'better technology than Confed has, and it's already in production' in ten years?

Now, prototypes I'd buy... barely.
 
Well, who says they started from nothing science/technolgy wise years ago? We know from WC4 that the Border Worlders fighters fielded weapons technology that Confed fighters didn't, including leech cannons, scatter guns and stormfires. We also know that they were able to field fighters like the Vindicator, Banshee and Avenger, albeit in small numbers, which had a similar or superior performance to their Confed couterparts. Space fighters, or at least space fighters that are going to be anything more than manned missiles decoys, aren't just something that you improvise. Whether you're designing one from scratch (Vindicator) or modyfying a design from a non combat role like a trainer (Banshee) or cargo shuttle (Avenger), you need very effective research and design facilities, as well as the industrial capability to do the work itself. On the scientific front, we know that one of their scientists, Dr Brody, was such an expert in bio-technology/nano-convergence that the Black Lance had to take the risk of kidnapping her to finish their gen-select weapon rather than use their own people. We know that they were able to adapt and use cloaking capability in combat (something that Confed had mastered only three years ago) under very difficult circumstances. All of that suggests a fair technological and scientific base capabilty at the time of WC4. Given that they had that capability ten years ago, when they were just struggling to establish themselves a nation, it's rather silly to claim definitely that Border Worlds couldn't possibly have developed the Viper cannon. I'm not saying they *could* have, mind you, but I would like to see the basis for claiming that that they couldn't possibly have.

Best, Raptor
 
Besides, it's not as if the UBW are still stuck in the stone age. Besides, the Viper Cannon isn't really a powerful weapon without the gun power. It takes many strafes with the Scimitar draining its gun power and then waiting ages for it to recharge to blow up one component.
 
Originally posted by Starkey
Well, kind of. It´s a weird concept, actually. If the component is really shielded (displayed in blue) the Viper guns won´t be able to damage the component - and neither will torpedoes.

If you destroy the shield generators, the component (bridge, engine, etc.) will turn green on your HUD, and then only torps and the Viper cannons will be able to damage them.
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Well, not quite. There appears to be two types of capship shields in WCP - the standard shields, that deflect anything other than weapons specifically designed to penetrate them, and the special additional shields carried by most Nephilem capships. So, even after a component turns green, it's still shielded, but only with the standard shields.


As for the Viper... well, Raptor said it quite well. The Border Worlds has always had all sorts of fancy technology like leech guns and the Stormfire. Notably, the former is a vast improvement on Confed leeching technology, and the latter is subsequently used by Confed. There's no doubt that Confed has more resources at its disposal, but don't underestimate the Border Worlds. Remember, this isn't some tiny third world country - these are entire star systems, filled with resources waiting to be exploited. We know how quickly Gemini developed, so why would we expect the Border Worlds to be any slower?
 
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