I thought Id move this because I liked that Maniac thread.
If you are going to quote me at least be accurate! I didnt say "ever". I was refering to the novel. In context it was cheezy. Did they say that in Wing 1 or 2? Yes or no? They sure didnt say it in 3 onwards. I havent even seen a recent war movie where they have said that. Unless you are are a posh englishman "tally ho!" is now cheezy line.
I was actually referring to 2 very similar sentence where we are told that blair felt sluggish. Seemed sloppy writing to me.
Yea maybe I exgarrerated a bit . But I dont know where this online version of the novel is that you were able to search but in 1 particular scene they used it far to often. And Rachel still says "skipper" and other words like that in the novel far too much. im sure of that even though I cannot search like you apparently can.
You are kind of right. The script only suggests they died, however. Its not abig deal, and normally Id wouldnt be nitpicking (because that is what this is) but it was a combination of things.
""ConFleet can't afford to throw away ships on meaningless gestures"
"He'd love it if he could lead the ConFleet to victory"
Again do they say this kind of stuff in Wing 1 or 2? In wing 3 they would have said, in context "Confed" instead of "Confleet". Its about context. And Im pretty sure they didnt even say "ConFed" in the novel.
You see if you read the beginning to Action Stations, in context it works where hey say "what resources ConFedFlt does have are..." which works in context. And since its the same writer he seems to have worked that out. "ConFedFlt" makes more sence than "Confleet".
My opinion. You are free to disagree but if its not used in context like the games use it then it isnt right in my view.
You are right, I guess I was far too annoyed at the book by the end (especially after Paladin was introduced). However it works better with "The" befor the ship name. Its most commen in the novel to drop the "The" when at least from wing 3 onwards they never did.
Agin, it IS a nitpick, but that it contributed to the rest of the things I didnt like.
He changed the script because he didnt like it?
Whcih is a lot easier to understand than "Och, lad, dinna hurry! I'm nae sae old that ye maun rush tae see me before I keel over!"
Im alright with SOME Scottish stuff but that was ridiculous, and it was the first thing they had him say!
But lets get back to my original point. "the Novels decided to change all the good dialogue so its crap" - which is true, even if its only half right. The novel is supposed to be a book based on the game. Since this early script is supposedly so old they had such bad dialogue in there and they had to rush the writing so it would be on time. Then that just shifts the blame onto the publishers. The fact is I didnt know the book isnt actually based on the game, which if I go by what you say, it isnt really. All I can see is a book that for some reason has taken good or decent dialogue and added or changed stuff so it sounds bad or doesnt work as well(I could give examples if you dont think so), and all the other points I made.
In short, its supposed to be a novel based on the game. And as such it does a bad job because it reaslly isnt much like the game at all. Whether thats the writers fault or not, doesnt really make a difference.
Ed
Bandit LOAF said:Erm, the "stupidest thing you've ever read" is a military term meaning you have a friendly target in sight.
If you are going to quote me at least be accurate! I didnt say "ever". I was refering to the novel. In context it was cheezy. Did they say that in Wing 1 or 2? Yes or no? They sure didnt say it in 3 onwards. I havent even seen a recent war movie where they have said that. Unless you are are a posh englishman "tally ho!" is now cheezy line.
As best I can tell from skimming and searching for the word jumpshock, it comes up twice .
I was actually referring to 2 very similar sentence where we are told that blair felt sluggish. Seemed sloppy writing to me.
A full text search of the novel finds 'old friend' used by Hobbes four times:
"It is good to see you, old friend,"
"Then I shall try not to disappoint you, old friend."
"Is that you. . . old friend?"
"Kilrathi do not surrender, my old friend"
Yea maybe I exgarrerated a bit . But I dont know where this online version of the novel is that you were able to search but in 1 particular scene they used it far to often. And Rachel still says "skipper" and other words like that in the novel far too much. im sure of that even though I cannot search like you apparently can.
This wasn't Mr. Keith's choice, though -- it's in the games script. .
You are kind of right. The script only suggests they died, however. Its not abig deal, and normally Id wouldnt be nitpicking (because that is what this is) but it was a combination of things.
The two uses in the HotT novel are "ConFleet can't afford to throw away ships on meaningless gestures" and "He'd love it if he could lead the ConFleet to victory" -- they're both situations where the goal is to refer specifically to the fleet rather than the nation.
""ConFleet can't afford to throw away ships on meaningless gestures"
"He'd love it if he could lead the ConFleet to victory"
Again do they say this kind of stuff in Wing 1 or 2? In wing 3 they would have said, in context "Confed" instead of "Confleet". Its about context. And Im pretty sure they didnt even say "ConFed" in the novel.
You see if you read the beginning to Action Stations, in context it works where hey say "what resources ConFedFlt does have are..." which works in context. And since its the same writer he seems to have worked that out. "ConFedFlt" makes more sence than "Confleet".
My opinion. You are free to disagree but if its not used in context like the games use it then it isnt right in my view.
I was refering to the grammar used with actual spacecraft, though... the novel uses *both* fairly commonly, but someone with a more formal grasp of the language would naturally tend to drop the DA. (The games have used both, too -- 'Concordia' and 'the Concordia', etc.)
You are right, I guess I was far too annoyed at the book by the end (especially after Paladin was introduced). However it works better with "The" befor the ship name. Its most commen in the novel to drop the "The" when at least from wing 3 onwards they never did.
Agin, it IS a nitpick, but that it contributed to the rest of the things I didnt like.
My bet is that it's an attempt on the part of the author to fix a percieved wrong in the writing of the script --
He changed the script because he didnt like it?
No, I think what I said -- that the script probably instructed them to cast someone with a Scottish accent. The novel is probably written that way because that's how Paladin's dialogue was written in the games available to Mr. Keith (WC and WC2).
From his very first appearance in the original game: "Och, laddie, take a seat an’ tilt a glass with ol’ Paladin."
(The novel also describes Paladin as being fair haired -- because, again, when writing the HotT novel, the only source for visual and vocal queues was the original games
Whcih is a lot easier to understand than "Och, lad, dinna hurry! I'm nae sae old that ye maun rush tae see me before I keel over!"
Im alright with SOME Scottish stuff but that was ridiculous, and it was the first thing they had him say!
But lets get back to my original point. "the Novels decided to change all the good dialogue so its crap" - which is true, even if its only half right. The novel is supposed to be a book based on the game. Since this early script is supposedly so old they had such bad dialogue in there and they had to rush the writing so it would be on time. Then that just shifts the blame onto the publishers. The fact is I didnt know the book isnt actually based on the game, which if I go by what you say, it isnt really. All I can see is a book that for some reason has taken good or decent dialogue and added or changed stuff so it sounds bad or doesnt work as well(I could give examples if you dont think so), and all the other points I made.
In short, its supposed to be a novel based on the game. And as such it does a bad job because it reaslly isnt much like the game at all. Whether thats the writers fault or not, doesnt really make a difference.
Ed