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Did a major revision of this article today completely cleaning up the early sections and rewriting several sections. The end with FC I'm still filling in. I had to take some time away from missions so I figured why not here. I've also learned that the wiki gets mad when articles get to be close to 32k because it is afraid some browsers will not be able to edit it. This current revision is 30k, but it's almost done and then hopefully won't have to be edited again. --[[User:Dundradal|Dundradal]] 00:56, 15 August 2010 (CDT)
Wedge this is ready for you to polish.  


Is it okay to expand Confleet to Confederation Fleet? Those less familiar with the novels, such as myself, may find the abbreviation confusing. - Wedge
In the Baka Kar section that is time stamp entries, I'm thinking we just leave it as is and not create additional narrative text. What does everybody else think about it? I'd only add text if it needs to be made clearer or an important or interesting event was overlooked. --[[User:Dundradal|Dundradal]] 18:02, 19 August 2010 (CDT)


I did my best to review the article, I'll have another look when you, or whoever, finishes the conversion. - Wedge
There wasn't much to do, it seems to flow quite well. I put the time entries in point form, but if you don't like it, I suppose it can go without them. - Wedge


: Thanks for the review...although I actually didn't want it reviewed yet as I am still working on it. I'd prefer waiting until an article is done before you go through it. Otherwise you may edit something that I completely miss later on and it makes one part of the article make no sense or sound stupid. As for Confleet, it's used in the novel text and I'd like to keep it that way in the article. --[[User:Dundradal|Dundradal]] 10:53, 15 August 2010 (CDT)
Yeah I wasn't sure what to do in that section. The [[Doomsday]] article is the same way...The bullets work, it at least makes the section more visually appealing. I just didn't want to have to craft a narrative to explain the events when simple time stamps work just as well. --[[User:Dundradal|Dundradal]] 13:20, 20 August 2010 (CDT)


:: Sorry. I wasn't aware that it wasn't finished until I got to the end. It's a bloody long article! - Wedge
: I'm not really opposed to it, but maybe the minute-by-minute AAR-type breakdowns should be split into either another section or a seperate article. - [[User:Bob McDob|Bob]] 15:44, 20 August 2010 (CDT)


::: Hehe yeah I know...it looks like it's going to be the article to test what it takes to break the wiki! It's already mad that it's so close to 32k. Do you see the message at the top of the page when you edit/preview that the article is getting close to that size and may not display correctly in some browsers? I'm guessing it only has to do with editing the page, so hopefully it won't be an issue when it's done. --[[User:Dundradal|Dundradal]] 11:01, 15 August 2010 (CDT)
Another section? I'm not sure what you mean. It's already separated into the event it occurs (Baka Kar). It's the breakdown of what Bear does during the battle. I wouldn't want to create another article just for it to show what he was doing when it can be effectively displayed here. Is that what you meant or did I misunderstand? --[[User:Dundradal|Dundradal]] 16:26, 20 August 2010 (CDT)


:::: It's currently (August 2010) the longest article in the WCPedia. - Wedge
: I was thinking of seperating it into another heading section - you're using level 2 headers for the whole article, so that would mean using a level one header for his entire wartime service (the one with the narrative), and using a second level one header for his history with the Landreich - something like "Service History with the Landreich Navy", to justify a sparse tone.  


::: Here's the message - "Warning: This page is 30 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." - Dund
: But that's a moot point. I was thinking of an earlier revision for some reason (or possibly Doomsday's article, where that sort of thing might be worthwhile). The actual article as of right now looks fine. I'm not really sure if you can do anything more with it, given the way False Colors is written. - [[User:Bob McDob|Bob]] 16:43, 20 August 2010 (CDT)


:::: Yes, I've seen that before. I haven't had any problems relating to it yet, as far as I know. - Wedge
:::: I wonder if this is actually an issue we need to worry about. Looking over the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Longpagewarning Wikipedia] and [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Longpagewarning MediaWiki] pages seems to suggest that it really isn't that big a deal, and I can't find anything in HTML references which suggest there is a limit on the <textbox> tag (which is what you do the editing in). I think it may just be pointing out that certain minor or older browsers may not be able to handle more than 32768 characters in a text box - a browser-specific issue, in other words. - Wedge


:: It's actually spelled [[ConFleet]], at least in [[False Colors]]. I don't remember offhand what [[End Run]] calls it. The WCIV novel and most of [[Action Stations]] calls it simply the Fleet. - [[User:Bob McDob|Bob McDob]] 06:13, 16 August 2010 (CDT)
Ahhhh ok. Yeah I wasn't thinking like that at all, but that's an idea we should play around with and see how it looks/works. I was thinking you meant just adding another section for the time stamps...it sounded odd.


::: I thought it that the F should be a capital, too. - Wedge
Yeah the Doomsday article was just one giant time stamp :p --[[User:Dundradal|Dundradal]] 17:19, 20 August 2010 (CDT)


Yeah I just noticed one of your edits that would have caused an issue, albeit minor. "Nargrast" is the moon of Vaku VII, it's also an unofficial name because the survivors call it that.. In FC it's official designation is "Vaku VIIa." I noticed you removed the "a" just be careful with that stuff before you edit to make sure it's really a mistake and not on purpose (as was the case here). --[[User:Dundradal|Dundradal]] 14:42, 15 August 2010 (CDT)


: Yeah, it wasn't terribly clear from the article. What's the relationship between VII and VIIa? - Wedge
It's listed here that Bondarevsky was wounded when the Coventry's bridge was breached by a Kilrathi missile, but the [[Southampton-Class Destroyer]] article says it was a Kilrathi mine. Which one is it? - Wedge


:: Vaku VII is a planet in the Vaku System where the Karga was derelict. Vaku VIIa is a moon of Vaku VII. You should grab the novels you can find them fairly cheap on amazon. I'll clean up the wording to make it clearer. I'm just trying not to get too wordy about Goliath in sections that don't apply to Bear. --[[User:Dundradal|Dundradal]] 17:06, 15 August 2010 (CDT)
page 300 of Heart of the Tiger "Conventry's hit a mine...She's falling behind, with heavy damage to her shield generators."


::: Stupidly, Amazon doesn't have an Australian site. I've only ever ordered once from Amazon - it's more trouble than it's worth. Fortunately, my prizes from last year included False Colours. My point here is that if the intended meaning not clear to the reader, then something needs to change. At any rate, this produced the discussion we're now having, so the article can be improved even further. (: - Wedge
page 29 of FC  "she had led the party that had saved his life after the Kilrathi missile had struck the flag bridge..."


BTW, is this still a work-in-progress? I only edited the ConFleet spelling as Bob mentioned above and tidied his info box a little. - Wedge
Just posting here for reference I know we already discussed this on IRC --[[User:Dundradal|Dundradal]] 22:05, 20 August 2010 (CDT)
 
Just did a quick edit for now. You can resolve the discrepancy more nicely later, if you prefer. - Wedge
 
Fixed. With plurals it makes it sound like it was under heavy attack and not just cruising insystem. --[[User:Dundradal|Dundradal]] 07:20, 21 August 2010 (CDT)

Latest revision as of 12:20, 21 August 2010

Wedge this is ready for you to polish.

In the Baka Kar section that is time stamp entries, I'm thinking we just leave it as is and not create additional narrative text. What does everybody else think about it? I'd only add text if it needs to be made clearer or an important or interesting event was overlooked. --Dundradal 18:02, 19 August 2010 (CDT)

There wasn't much to do, it seems to flow quite well. I put the time entries in point form, but if you don't like it, I suppose it can go without them. - Wedge

Yeah I wasn't sure what to do in that section. The Doomsday article is the same way...The bullets work, it at least makes the section more visually appealing. I just didn't want to have to craft a narrative to explain the events when simple time stamps work just as well. --Dundradal 13:20, 20 August 2010 (CDT)

I'm not really opposed to it, but maybe the minute-by-minute AAR-type breakdowns should be split into either another section or a seperate article. - Bob 15:44, 20 August 2010 (CDT)

Another section? I'm not sure what you mean. It's already separated into the event it occurs (Baka Kar). It's the breakdown of what Bear does during the battle. I wouldn't want to create another article just for it to show what he was doing when it can be effectively displayed here. Is that what you meant or did I misunderstand? --Dundradal 16:26, 20 August 2010 (CDT)

I was thinking of seperating it into another heading section - you're using level 2 headers for the whole article, so that would mean using a level one header for his entire wartime service (the one with the narrative), and using a second level one header for his history with the Landreich - something like "Service History with the Landreich Navy", to justify a sparse tone.
But that's a moot point. I was thinking of an earlier revision for some reason (or possibly Doomsday's article, where that sort of thing might be worthwhile). The actual article as of right now looks fine. I'm not really sure if you can do anything more with it, given the way False Colors is written. - Bob 16:43, 20 August 2010 (CDT)


Ahhhh ok. Yeah I wasn't thinking like that at all, but that's an idea we should play around with and see how it looks/works. I was thinking you meant just adding another section for the time stamps...it sounded odd.

Yeah the Doomsday article was just one giant time stamp :p --Dundradal 17:19, 20 August 2010 (CDT)


It's listed here that Bondarevsky was wounded when the Coventry's bridge was breached by a Kilrathi missile, but the Southampton-Class Destroyer article says it was a Kilrathi mine. Which one is it? - Wedge

page 300 of Heart of the Tiger "Conventry's hit a mine...She's falling behind, with heavy damage to her shield generators."

page 29 of FC "she had led the party that had saved his life after the Kilrathi missile had struck the flag bridge..."

Just posting here for reference I know we already discussed this on IRC --Dundradal 22:05, 20 August 2010 (CDT)

Just did a quick edit for now. You can resolve the discrepancy more nicely later, if you prefer. - Wedge

Fixed. With plurals it makes it sound like it was under heavy attack and not just cruising insystem. --Dundradal 07:20, 21 August 2010 (CDT)

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