I'm very much interested in continuing the subject, though I'm not sure how far off-topic we should be going here . At the very least, if you decide not to post here, feel free to PM me about it.Mekt-Hakkikt said:Now, is there anybody interested in my theories about the German's problems with their history and the "why", or are we finished with the topic? I can keep it to myself, no problem. Especially since I can only provide my very personal view based on what I experienced.
It's not just logical arguments, though - I also find the Germans hard to understand from an emotional point of view. More than that, I think the way Germany treats the subject of WWII is downright dangerous. Nazism would have long been forgotten, if it wasn't for the German government which insists on keeping this ideology alive. How exactly does it do that? It does it by limiting the discussion on WWII, and by depriving Germany's own wartime heroes and casualties of the respect they rightfully deserve.criticalmass said:@Quarto: Basically you're trying to level things out by pointing at the logical flaws, but please keep in mind that this is not primarily about logic. I have no idea how WWII is represented in Polish society - but I guess that the concept of ethical guilt is not central to it. But it's exactly that point which makes WWII an emotionally volatile subject for many Germans, and pointing out logical flaws in their emotional argument will not quench the flame very much.
I mean, to us in Poland, it's clear that whatever crimes the Nazi regime was responsible for, a German soldier fighting the Soviets deserves respect, because he was fighting against a terrible threat to his country (paradoxically enough, I feel the same way about Soviet soldiers - however evil communism may have been, I respect the Soviet soldiers who fought to defend their country against Germany). Yet, Germany's WWII veterans don't get the respect that veterans in other countries do - sure, they get a state pension, and in the case of the generals and admirals, occasionally even a state funeral - but they're hidden away from the public, and it's extremely rare for German politicians to say anything positive about the veterans. The impression we get, looking at you from the outside, is that the Germans believe that anybody who wore a German uniform in WWII was tainted by Nazism.
This, IMO, is what keeps Nazism alive today. Germany has virtually outlawed ordinary, healthy patriotism - anyone who wishes to be a patriot outside of a football stadium can really only do so by joining a Neo-Nazi movement. I strongly believe that most of today's Neo-Nazis started off simply as kids who were resentful that the people they adore and respect - their fathers or grandfathers are treated almost as criminals by the rest of the society.
...I mean, I don't know about you, but if somebody told me that my grandfather was an evil Nazi, I wouldn't lose the respect I have for him. Quite the opposite, I'd start sympathising with the Nazis, assuming that if my grandfather was one, then they can't be all that bad.
I'm sure, as the range of different views from Germans in this thread indicates, that there is no one single reason why Germans like Wing Commander. However, I believe that what I wrote above is definitely the reasons for some Germans - Wing Commander simply provides a different view on war. Many anti-war movies somehow manage to draw the conclusion that if war is evil, then soldiers or at least their commanders must be evil too. With the exception of WC4, Wing Commander has never made that connection - even the Kilrathi in WC are treated with respect.