The next James Bond

frostytheplebe

frostytheplebe

Seventh Part of the Seal
Daniel Craig... What were they thinking? I know its old news, but he really sucked as 007. Disputably worse then Timothy Dalton. I've been a fan of the 007 longer then any other movie series, and I have to say I've never been as disappointed with the series as I was with Casino Royale.

Well I had this discussion at work the other day at which point a guy I worked with asked me, well who would you have picked to play James Bond?

At the time, I could not answer him as I had no idea. But after a few days to think about it, I came back with an answer. I can think of no one better to carry on the 007 legacy then a man who already is no stranger to conspiracies and spy films, Clive Owen.

He looks the part, he sounds the part, I think he'd be perfect!
 

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Casino Royale was a marked improvement. To me after Goldeneye it became increasingly cheesy and americanised in style until the worst movie in the franchises history, Die Another Day. Casino Royale was a shift in the right direction... but you're right, Clive Owen would have been perfect for the role. Still I've enjoyed his other recent work, especially inside man, might have been an average movie without his presence.
 
Pedro said:
Casino Royale was a marked improvement. To me after Goldeneye it became increasingly cheesy and americanised in style until the worst movie in the franchises history, Die Another Day. Casino Royale was a shift in the right direction... but you're right, Clive Owen would have been perfect for the role. Still I've enjoyed his other recent work, especially inside man, might have been an average movie without his presence.
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Agreed, but three crappy americanized movies is hardly an excuse, however I must agree with you on inside man, I loved that movie,
 
I actually liked Casino. I thought that Craig did a good job of portraying a rougher, less experienced Bond. But what do I know?


I do, however, whole heartedly agree with Clive Owen as the next Bond. I felt that way since I saw him in the private films that BMW commissioned after the millenium. Since those, I began following him in his other movies, and I think he'd be quite good at it.
 
I'm kind of surprised by the first post; I thought everyone loved Casino Royale. I know the internet was all primed to hate it ('more like James Blond')... but then the actual movie was really good (I also rather liked Dalton; I don't think he ever had a very good story to work with, but I thought he did a good job with the role. My least favorite has always been Moore...)

To me after Goldeneye it became increasingly cheesy and americanised in style...
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I think you've been warned about being this exact form of trolling before.
 
The first time I saw CR I wasn't impressed. Bond just wasn't Bond.

After I'd seen it a few more times I wasn't as cynical. These are the events that shape Bond into the one we see later on and the movie started to grow on me, but I still miss that classic Bond stuff.

Part of the appeal of Bond is some of the lighter stuff we see in the older movies. That's why I love Bond. Gadgets, girls, one-liners, it's all great stuff.
 
I thought CR was good in the first half but the last half, with the woman, the crumbling building and all that was really crappy.

I thought Craig wasn't too bad but I favour the lighter side of Bond as well and that's why I liked Moore the best, I think.
With the exception of Golden Eye I found all the Brosnan Bonds to be crap though I wouldn't blame it on him.

Oh, and on topic: if going by the picture of Owen you posted, yes he wouldn't be a bad Bond. But I'd always think of Priv2 and there he looks a bit skinny.
 
frostytheplebe said:
Daniel Craig... What were they thinking? I know its old news, but he really sucked as 007. Disputably worse then Timothy Dalton.
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Anyone who's read the James Bond novels or read interviews with Fleming will tell you that Dalton is the closest to the original character than any other actor, including Connery. He was a dark, introverted guy who always barely kept his temper in check.

Dundradal said:
Part of the appeal of Bond is some of the lighter stuff we see in the older movies. That's why I love Bond. Gadgets, girls, one-liners, it's all great stuff.
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That isn't what Bond is about though. That was something created, emphasized and then blown out of proportions to sell the films, not the books.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
I think you've been warned about being this exact form of trolling before.
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I really should be more careful with my wording. I actually didn't mean to link cheesy in americanised as one in the same, infact to my mind the Bond movies prior to Casino Royale lost out to the grittier Bourne and M:I franchises.
Casino Royale actually feels no more british, but as a clean start it didn't feel like a carwreck of colliding styles.

As for the books, most people know Bond by the movies, to me Sean Connery is Bond, he defined it. Roger Moores era went over to cringe worthy for me, Moonraker in particular is one movie I just could never bring myself to watch again. I would have been happy to see the movies continue from where Goldeneye left off, light hearted, but not silly, lots of witty one liners, nothing to dark and sinister about his character; but I have nothing against the new direction, it has been successful where previous attempts failed.
 
Casino Royale is one of the best Bond movies ever, and Daniel Craig did a pretty good job... I was one of the people that were ready and willing to hate the movie and the actor, but then it turned out to be a lot better than any of the Pierce Brosnan era movies.

That's not to say that I don't think Clive Owen would have been an awesome choice as well... he certainly would have... but after seeing Casino Royale I'm no longer skeptical about Daniel Craig, as I used to be.

Also, I have to agree with Pedro that while Brosnan was a pretty good choice for the role, the movies themselves took a turn for the worse after Goldeneye. The two movies prior to Casino Royale were practically unbearable to me.

Also, Eva Green is incredibly hot.
 
This intrigued me, so I searched Clive Owen, James Bond, and Privateer and came across this article:
http://www.askmen.com/men/entertainment_150/179c_clive_owen.html
Interesting they assert that he turned down the role of James Bond. Of course they don't offer any evidence that he did turn it down. I would've liked to hear the circumstances behind it. It is nice that they mentioned Privateer 2. They say he 'lent his voice' to it. I wonder if they just didn't do their research and assumed that since it was a video game, it was voicing over video images and not camera acting. Perhaps they didn't do very thorough research on either item.
 
Eder said:
The two movies prior to Casino Royale were practically unbearable to me.
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I hear how everyone dislikes Die Another Day. While DAD is a bizzare film and one can question how in the hell anyone thought it was a good idea to make it, its at least so bad, its good.

I cannot say the same about the worst films from the Moore era. A View To A Kill is not only terrible, but *boring* as well - and you can't say that about DAD.
 
LeHah said:
That isn't what Bond is about though. That was something created, emphasized and then blown out of proportions to sell the films, not the books.
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I was only speaking about the movie Bond. I haven't read the books, so when I think of Bond I picture Sean Connery in Goldfinger. Hands down my favorite one of the series.
 
Goldfinger is (perhaps properly) the 007 movie in which all other 007 movies are gauged against.
 
Eder said:
Also, I have to agree with Pedro that while Brosnan was a pretty good choice for the role, the movies themselves took a turn for the worse after Goldeneye. The two movies prior to Casino Royale were practically unbearable to me.
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I actually liked TWINE, for all its failings the pace was good. It was generic once every few years popcorn viewing, but I had nothing against that, however it did show the first symptoms of the problems that would destroy DAD. Tomorrow Never Dies I dislike *almost* as much as Die Another Day however, although I've never put my finger on what it is that annoys me about it.

Eder said:
Casino Royale is one of the best Bond movies ever, and Daniel Craig did a pretty good job... I was one of the people that were ready and willing to hate the movie and the actor, but then it turned out to be a lot better than any of the Pierce Brosnan era movies.
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Whilst I definitely feel Casino Royale is the best of the movies since Goldeneye, Daniel Craig I could take or leave, for me ranking at #4, just behind Timothy Dalton, so if he were replaced next movie I wouldn't be nearly as concerned as when Brosnan was, so long as the same standard of writing and production continued.
 
LeHah said:
Goldfinger is (perhaps properly) the 007 movie in which all other 007 movies are gauged against.
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I disagree, from Russia With Love is the big Connery one, it seemed more to me like that movie is the one that people base James Bond.

Timothy Dalton MAY HAVE been the closest in terms of the Books, but if they wanted to follow the books, then they should have cast Christopher Plummer back in his hayday as James Bond. I thought that would have been really close.
 
I hear how everyone dislikes Die Another Day. While DAD is a bizzare film and one can question how in the hell anyone thought it was a good idea to make it, its at least so bad, its good.
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My brother has a good argument about Die Another Day being an over-the-top parody on purpose and how it was exactly what the franchise needed at the time... I've never enjoyed it myself, but I can follow his argument.

(I did like TWiNE, though, simply because Denise Richards as a nuclear scientist is so enjoyably idiotic. Although I didn't like DAD, I do think that all the fun I've had making fun of the invisible car over the years more than made up for my initial reaction. Bond movies are like that, though - they can be terrible but then have memorable elements in them that make you think fondly of them years later... I really dislike Roger Moore and recognize that Moonraker is incredibly dumb, but gosh darnit it's got space shuttles that fire lasers!)

(Dr. No is my Connery-gauging movie...)
 
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