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Guess I could have put this in the "furry" thread.

From http://thescotsman.scotsman.com Tue 20 Dec 2005

Stalin's half-man, half-ape super-warriors

Super-troopers: Stalin wanted Planet of the Apes-like troops, insensitive to pain and hardship.

Stalin's half-man, half-ape super-warriors
The Soviet dictator Josef Stalin ordered the creation of Planet of the Apes-style warriors by crossing humans with apes, according to recently uncovered secret documents.
Moscow archives show that in the mid-1920s, Russia's top animal breeding scientist, Ilya Ivanov, was ordered to turn his skills from horse and animal work to the quest for a super-warrior.


According to Moscow newspapers, Stalin told the scientist: "I want a new
invincible human being, insensitive to pain, resistant and indifferent about the
quality of food they eat."
In 1926 the Politburo in Moscow passed the request to the Academy of Science
with the order to build a "living war machine". The order came at a time when
the Soviet Union was embarked on a crusade to turn the world upside down,
with social engineering seen as a partner to industrialisation: new cities,
architecture, and a new egalitarian society were being created.
The Soviet authorities were struggling to rebuild the Red Army after bruising
wars.
And there was intense pressure to find a new labour force, particularly one
that would not complain, with Russia about to embark on its first Five-Year
Plan for fast-track industrialisation.
Mr Ivanov was highly regarded. He had established his reputation under the
Tsar when in 1901 he established the world's first centre for the artificial
insemination of racehorses.
Mr Ivanov's ideas were music to the ears of Soviet planners and in 1926 he
was dispatched to West Africa with $200,000 to conduct his first experiment in
impregnating chimpanzees.
Meanwhile, a centre for the experiments was set up in Georgia - Stalin's
birthplace - for the apes to be raised.
Mr Ivanov's experiments, unsurprisingly from what we now know, were a total
failure. He returned to the Soviet Union, only to see experiments in Georgia
to use monkey sperm in human volunteers similarly fail.
A final attempt to persuade a Cuban heiress to lend some of her monkeys for
further experiments reached American ears, with the New York Times reporting
on the story, and she dropped the idea amid the uproar.
Mr Ivanov was now in disgrace. His were not the only experiments going wrong:
the plan to collectivise farms ended in the 1932 famine in which at least
four million died.
For his expensive failure, he was sentenced to five years' jail, which was
later commuted to five years' exile in the Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan
in 1931. A year later he died, reportedly after falling sick while standing
on a freezing railway platform.
 
that cant be right, Stalin wasnt in power during that time period, if fact, it was only just before hitler started grabbing control of germany that stalin came to power in russia. now they might be confusing lenin and stalin, or mistranslating dates, but its one or the other
 
Well a monkey is physically a lot stronger and more agile then a human, and while animals do feel pain, they easily forget it. but why not crossbreed with a feline then?
apart from the ability to jump from large heights, cat's seem often really insensitive
to pain. I have two young cats at home and the things they do to each other....

anyway, it would be immorral to crossbreed humans with animals, today we might
have succeeded in doing it, but it's messing with nature's ways. and what would
happen with these crossbreeds after the war ended? They might lack social skills
or the ability to speak per example, creating a slave race, it simply is wrong.
 
We are still talking about the same USSR that Stalin ruled over right? I'm sure man-keys (a fitting name i should think) would have an excellent future in politics.
 
wolfboy said:
that cant be right, Stalin wasnt in power during that time period, if fact, it was only just before hitler started grabbing control of germany that stalin came to power in russia. now they might be confusing lenin and stalin, or mistranslating dates, but its one or the other
You know that saying about how it's better to keep quiet and let everyone think you're a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt about it? :p
 
Aplha 1-1 said:
Heh I was reading something 'bout that on ninemsn last night. Can't see how a monkey is insensitive to pain though.

It wouldn't be the first time that scientific fact took a back seat to politics, in the Soviet Union (see Lysenkoism).

As for Stalin, he became Secretary General of the Communist Party in April of 1922, which by 1926 he had built up into effectively being the head of the entire country. As part of the Politburo (since the revolution, IIRC), he did have the authority to order such research.
 
Mace said:
but why not crossbreed with a feline then?
apart from the ability to jump from large heights, cat's seem often really insensitive
to pain. I have two young cats at home and the things they do to each other...

Although felines (at least IMHO) would be perfect warriors, they're extremely hard to control, and are probably a bit too fond of toying with their prey... Probably wouldnt follow orders very well.;)
 
we can't even properly clone sheep, much less humans. messing around in genes we don't understand is a certain way to fail.
some way over 50% of a mammal genes are regarded as "junk" since they don't seem to translate into proteins. however, nature doesn't usually drang around useless stuff through evolution, so it is certainly there for something.
which just shows how little modern science really knows about the processes of living matter, mostly because we always look at only a very small portion of all the reactions going on, becausev the whole pic would just we too large to grasp
 
Genetic research (cloning, DNA therapy and such) is one of those awkward sciences to grasp because of all the politics, theology, morality and such sticking their collective noses in and holding it back. Sure it's immoral to tweak the genes of a creature to make something new or to clone a human since things may go wrong. But without practice and study from live experiments how can anybody expect the science to be perfected?
Buggered if you do, buggered if you don't.
 
Chevieblazer said:
some way over 50% of a mammal genes are regarded as "junk" since they don't seem to translate into proteins.

They might be junk regarding the translation into proteins. However even with the little understanding there is about them they are not considered junk. Amongst other stuff this 'junk' is useful for the stability of the DNA. It also serves as a backup for old, obsolete proteins that migh be useful again in evolution (and become active again by mutation). Finally they also serve as protection against mutation as a mutation there will simply be ignored.
 
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