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I am new here this is a cool forum ... So I am curious what does everyone think about the end of the Enterprise series on TV? I just saw the episode called Affliction has anyone seen that? I found some cool clips of Star Trek online here upn.com/shows/enterprise/fan_favorites/ The clips are great they will be announcing the favorite episode from the past four seasons of Star Trek Enterprise soon on this site too .... Let me know if anyone checks this site out???
 
Star Trek should have been ended with the original series then. How more clear then in "Patterns of Force" (the 'mysterious Episode which was banned from German TV and which I think still was not dubbed in German) could you have been?
 
I still prefer Voyager and the originals. Enterprise was just kind of, eh...not really all that grand in my opinion compared to the others.
 
Eh, Enterprise was interesting but got stuck in some extremely crappy tv slots. I think if more people could have seen the 3rd and 4th seasons there wouldn't even have been a discussion regarding the cancelling of the show. I never liked Voyager...couldn't get past Janeway's annoying "Queen B" attitude.
 
Maj.Striker said:
Eh, Enterprise was interesting but got stuck in some extremely crappy tv slots. I think if more people could have seen the 3rd and 4th seasons there wouldn't even have been a discussion regarding the cancelling of the show. I never liked Voyager...couldn't get past Janeway's annoying "Queen B" attitude.
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You're right, Enterprise had some bad TV slots. I can only remember seeing one or two episodes. Although they were IMO good shows, I think they were on UPN or some other channel I never watch, and it was a near miracle I even saw the show since I rarely flip through that channel. I also would've had to get over seeing the captain as Sam from Quantum Leap in much the same way I had to get over seeing Colonel O'neil as McGuyver in Stargate SG-1. I found it funny that you chose to describe Janeway's attitude as "Queen B".. does that have anything to do with her "beehive" style hairdo?
 
Yeah, it was horrible for me in later days to follow the show as it got later on in the seasons because UPN is not broadcast where I live. Therefore I had to deal with Fox network's brilliant reairing around baseball or airing two episodes one week and then prempting it again the next. I got frusturated and eventually stopped trying to catch iit this year after the announment of it's cancelation.

-Rance-
 
Bandit LOAF said:
Stop.
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I don't mind this. If you really have a problem with it, you should probably bring it up in the other topic. He's certainly not being serious, and if he was, he would do far more than just not argue. If this username is going to bring up issues in the forums, let me know and I'll leave, but like I said, keep that to the other topic.
 
[insert generic star trek nostalgia comment]

...but apart from all that growing up with it, in hindsight I like ST most for the geeky attitude of the shows: People trying to be serious and cool, but meeting fairy-tale plots and absurdly designed aliens all the time.

No wonder that the original show turned into comedy, DS9 into space soap, Voyager became an acting class (holodeck!), and Enterprise morphed into "we want to be X-Files in space" [sarcasm intended in all cases].

But nonetheless, one day I'll be in a daycare home, and then I'll order all seasons on DVDs or whatever they have by then, and keep watching them for old time's sake.

[close with generic star trek nostalgia glurge about watching first/best/worst/... episode ever]
 
I kinda like all of Star Trek. Of course the original one has a special part in my heart and thus is probably my favourite. IMHO the Bones vs Spock relation was one of the highlights there. Only DS9 did feature something similar with Odo and Quark and thus is my #2 on the list.
 
Though I have to agree that DS9 was the best all around series of all of them, TNG probably had some of the best individual episodes, and none of the subsequent shows could even come close to touching the original when it comes to character relationships and interaction. That being said, I found Enterprise to be rather boring and Voyager was unwatchable crap.
 
cff said:
Star Trek should have been ended with the original series then. How more clear then in "Patterns of Force" (the 'mysterious Episode which was banned from German TV and which I think still was not dubbed in German) could you have been?
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I've been thinking about this, and two points come to mind:

1. TOS was the only other Star Trek series to get canceled. It had an even shorter run than Enterprise. PoF was also aired at the end of Season 2, shortly before the studio tried to wrest control of the series away from Roddenbery. Thus Season 3 opened with the zinger "Spock's Brain".

2. Considering that the Nazis are part of modern history, at what point did Godwin's Law take effect? By the time Star Trek was on the air, the Nazis were still a recent memory. Could this fact have softened the Godwin blow?

Food for thought, anyway. I still think you can't get much more cliche than an episode about Nazis winning WWII. Especially the whole aliens helping angle. I mean, isn't there anything more critical to this stupid Temporal Cold War in the entire history of the *galaxy*? (Like a hoopy Vogon construction fleet or something? :D) Alternatively, Future Guy could have at least tried giving a more complete history lesson that explains the key juncture. (Like Spock in "The City on the Edge of Forever".)
 
Godwin's Law is an informal rule created for (and ignored by) debate-oriented usenet groups.

It has absolutely nothing to do with creative works.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
Godwin's Law is an informal rule created for (and ignored by) debate-oriented usenet groups.
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Actually, it was first observed in debate oriented usenet groups. Since then, it has shown to hold true in nearly all discussion forums. Once someone invokes Godwin's law, the discussion is over. (With the exception that it cannot be intentionally invoked. I'm thinking it takes true stupidity to make it happen.)

It has absolutely nothing to do with creative works.
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The original law doesn't (apart from the fact that internet posts are a form of creative works). But like Murphy's law, I'm extending it to cover other areas where it appears to hold true. You do have to admit that it's an interesting coincidence. ;)

Maybe someday someone should catalog all of the Nazi references on TV, and see how they coincide with the demise of the shows.
 
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