Music From The Wing Commander Universe CD

[Delance]

Music From The Wing Commander Universe (George Oldziey)

Wow, where did this CD come from?

I remember some of those tracks appeared at Napster at one time, and no one knew anything about them.

 

[LeHah]

It's an in-house composer promo (read: Not For Sale) that Oldziey made. LOAF told me that I was supposed to get one when they came out but I never did. Fucking A.

 

[overmortal]

if it's not for sale, then it's legal to make copies, right?

 

[LeHah]

No, it isn't. Laws abound stating that distribution of privately distributed music/albums is illegal.

 

[psych]

George Oldziey gave me his "Music from the Wing Commander Universe" CD. It was cool.

 

[Worf]

No, it isn't. Laws abound stating that distribution of privately distributed music/albums is illegal.

Only if you live in a backwards country .

There are countries that make it legal because its citizens pay for it via taxes on stuff like CDs and such. (Although the governing body likes to call them "levies" rather than taxes.) And you know you can't tax an illegal activity!

For those looking for more justification... "paid the fine, now lets do the crime."

 

[Delance]

Even if someone was in a country in which it was "legal" to pirate that CD, it would still be illegal for people to download it if their country didn't allow it. Not that anyone does a lot of enforcement about this.

 

[Bandit LOAF]

I paid a significant tax on my handgun, therefore I can legally shoot people.

 

[Worf]

Ah, but did that tax go to cover the cost of someone's life? If you did, then yes. If not, then you've been scammed.

We pay taxes on CD-R's, tapes, etc to cover the "cost of piracy". That's right, we pay these taxes to recoup the money lost by people copying music. Thus, since I've paid the tax to pirate music, I might as well do it. Thus every CD-R/tape/etc I buy goes to pay the artists (or is supposed to. They've been collecting for years, and they've not distributed a single penny...).

(One will also note - because of this tax, it's actually legal to borrow a CD from a friend, copy it, and return it to him. Unfortunately, having said friend copy it for me isn't. Which way does P2P do it, you can decide...)

I'm thinking of opening up a CD library with computers used to copy CDs. I can show them how to copy the CD, but I can't actually DO it for them...

 

[Bandit LOAF]

I would imagine that a huge amount of my tax dollar goes towards dealing with violent crime.

 

[TC]

Thus every CD-R/tape/etc I buy goes to pay the artists (or is supposed to. They've been collecting for years, and they've not distributed a single penny...).

People keep saying this, and it's wrong. It's neat how people never bother to do their research before making posts... Am I the only person that doesn't like to look like an asshat and, as such, actually checks his facts? The CPCC paid out their first set of royalty distributions in January of the past year. They probably should have paid out more in their first round of payments, but they still paid out a rather large sum.

(One will also note - because of this tax, it's actually legal to borrow a CD from a friend, copy it, and return it to him. Unfortunately, having said friend copy it for me isn't.

Your causality is backwards. It isn't legal because of the levy (it's not a tax, it's a levy), the levy exists because of the legality.

Which way does P2P do it, you can decide...)

Not really... The copyright board recently released a ruling that supported the fact that while downloading music is perfectly legitimate, uploading is not. Of course, anyone who actually bothered to check the legislation is more than capable of figuring this out themselves.

I'm thinking of opening up a CD library with computers used to copy CDs. I can show them how to copy the CD, but I can't actually DO it for them...

That's nice

 

[cff]

We pay taxes on CD-R's, tapes, etc to cover the "cost of piracy". That's right, we pay these taxes to recoup the money lost by people copying music. Thus, since I've paid the tax to pirate music, I might as well do it. Thus every CD-R/tape/etc I buy goes to pay the artists (or is supposed to. They've been collecting for years, and they've not distributed a single penny...).

Worf, where are you from? I am asking because Austrians and Germans now can demand that tax back if they assure they only copied free material.

 

[Worf]

Canada.

Heck, they raised the levies too. And imposed one on mp3 players. All the more reason to go downloading, it appears.

(Another oddity - it's legal to *download* music, but it's illegal to *upload* it. Go figure). Now they need a levy for software, so I can get cheap copies of all the software I need...

Unfortunately, we too can get the tax back, but it costs like $5000 to apply for it.

 

[TC]

Heck, they raised the levies too. And imposed one on mp3 players. All the more reason to go downloading, it appears.

What the hell? DO SOME RESEARCH. All the media that had existing levies had those levies remain at the same level in the copyright board decision made last week... The existing levies weren't raised at all. You're correct that levies were added to mp3 players. I doubt this will actually end up making a difference in hell as all they'll have to do to avoid the levy is put a sound file on the drive when it's sold. At that point, it's no longer classified as blank recording media and the levy no longer applies.

I also have absolutely no idea why you randomly say it's more reason to go downloading music. It's well within your rights. It's not like you're some spiteful rebel sticking it to them. You're paying a levy because you have the right to go copy whatever the fuck you want.

(Another oddity - it's legal to *download* music, but it's illegal to *upload* it. Go figure).

I already said this a couple of posts ago...

Unfortunately, we too can get the tax back, but it costs like $5000 to apply for it.

You can't get the levy back... There used to be a zero-rating program where you could apply to be exempt from the levy if you were a religious group, a broadcaster, an educator, or all sorts of other things, but the copyright board ruled that the CPCC (and the copyright board, for that matter) didn't have the right to create exceptions to the levy as it wasn't a power granted to them under the copyright act. The only people who don't need to pay the levy are societies, associations or corporations that represent people with perceptual disabilities.